[Turkmath:4635] Re: Turkmath Digest, Vol 73, Issue 11
yilmaz akyildiz
yilmaz.akyildiz at gmail.com
Thu Oct 15 18:59:49 UTC 2020
Matematikçilerin diğer insanlardan farklı olduğu veya farklı davranması
gerektiğini beklemek de absurd bir düşünce.
15 Eki 2020 Per 21:58 tarihinde Can Ozan Oğuz <canozanoguz at gmail.com> şunu
yazdı:
> Matematikçilere yakıştıramadığım davranışlardan birisine çok güzel bir
> örnek: yazılandan bağımsız olarak yazan kişiden dolayı mesajları direk çöpe
> atmak.
>
> Böyle davranışlara gerek kalmayacak kalitede bir iletişim platformu
> bahsetmek istediğim.
>
> Selamlar ve sevgiler,
> Can Ozan
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 9:39 PM yilmaz akyildiz <yilmaz.akyildiz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> sizin delete tuşundan haberiniz varmı?
>> elbette vardır!
>> o zaman neden ekran kalabalığı yapıyorsunuz?
>> ben mesele can ozan oğuz dan gelen mail varsa açmadan direk çöpe
>> yolluyorum.
>> siz de yapın!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:43 PM Can Ozan Oğuz <canozanoguz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Benim aklıma yalnızca şu soru geliyor:
>>> Matematikçilere yaraşır bir şekilde sağlıklı iletişim kurulabilen bir
>>> mail grubu mümkün mü?
>>>
>>> Turkmath grubunun geçmişinden, şu anki durumundan dolayı burayı terk
>>> etmiş insanlar tanıyorum. Azami düzeyde bir filtresi olan, kaliteli bir
>>> iletişim platformunun özlemini çekiyorum.
>>>
>>> Selamlar ve sevgiler,
>>> Can Ozan
>>>
>>> Mustafa Polat <Mustafa.Polat at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, 15 Eki 2020 Per,
>>> 11:02 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>>>
>>>> Meraktan soruyorum
>>>> 1. Ergün hoca hangi mesajında felsefe eğitimine karşı çıktı?
>>>> 2. Marksistler Türkiye'de ne zaman iktidar oldu ve Milli ve Yerli
>>>> eğitime el attılar?
>>>> 3. Felsefe felsefe diyenler kafalarındaki felsefe eğitiminin insanları
>>>> dindar yapacağını mı düşünüyorlar?
>>>> Dilen başka sorularda ekleyebilir.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:17 AM yilmaz akyildiz <
>>>> yilmaz.akyildiz at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> seninkiler içerikli
>>>>> bizimkiler laf salatası...
>>>>> şimdi slogan sırası:
>>>>> Türkiye Laiktir Laik kalacaktır!
>>>>> din ile bir adım ileri gitmiş bir ülke bana gösterin
>>>>> yarın hacca gideceğim.
>>>>> not: umre yapmışlığım vardır!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ercüment Ortaçgil <
>>>>> ortacgile at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bana göre bunlar içeriksiz laf salataları Yılmaz hodjam :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yilmaz akyildiz <yilmaz.akyildiz at gmail.com>, 15 Eki 2020 Per, 10:09
>>>>>> tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> haydaaaa....
>>>>>>> Madam ki *"Hepimiz gayet iyi biliyoruz ki bir "şey" ile onun
>>>>>>> gerçeği çok farklı olabiliyor."*
>>>>>>> o zaman dersem ki benim açımdan* "gerçekte Matematik de bir din
>>>>>>> dir!"*
>>>>>>> hadi Ercü çık şimdi işin içinden...!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 10:03 AM Ercüment Ortaçgil <
>>>>>>> ortacgile at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bari ben de düşüncemi söyleyim dedim :-)
>>>>>>>> Hepimiz gayet iyi biliyoruz ki bir "şey" ile onun gerçeği çok
>>>>>>>> farklı olabiliyor. Bu rezil dünyanın gerçek matematikçilere mi yoksa gerçek
>>>>>>>> dindarlara mı daha çok ihtiyacı var diye sorarsanız ben tereddütsüz gerçek
>>>>>>>> dindarlara derim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eyüp yalcinkaya <eyupyalcinkaya at gmail.com>, 14 Eki 2020 Çar, 23:29
>>>>>>>> tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Merhaba Ergün Hocam ve Abuzer hocam,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yazılanları okuduktan sonra yazma ihtiyacı hissettim. Umarım
>>>>>>>>> yazacaklarım faydalı olur;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Başlangıç olarak Ergün hocam Eğitim sistemindeki çürüme matematik
>>>>>>>>> derslerinin azaltılıp din derslerinin arttırılmasıyla kötüleşmeyecek. Uzun
>>>>>>>>> bir süreç ve bunun sorumlularının içinde şu an karşı görüşe yukarıdan bakan
>>>>>>>>> siyasal islamcılar kadar, bir dönem halka tepeden bakan beton gibi
>>>>>>>>> marksistlerinde suçu var kanaatimce. (Bir Fars atasözünde dendiği gibi:
>>>>>>>>> Hepimiz birbirimiz kadar ahlaklıyız.) Ayrıca verilen din dersinin çokluğu
>>>>>>>>> matematiğin azlığı bir nicelik meselesi ve niteliğe etkisi çok zayıf çünkü
>>>>>>>>> yapılan anketler gösteriyor ki ; gençler dinden uzaklaşıyor Konda'nın
>>>>>>>>> yaptırdığı anket sonuçları şöyle;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gençlerde oruç tutanlar yüze 74’ten 58’e düşmüş. Düzenli olarak
>>>>>>>>> namaz kılarım diyenler yüzde 27’den 24’e gerilemiş. Daha geç evleniyorlar.
>>>>>>>>> Yalnız yaşayanlar çoğalıyor. İnanç seviyelerinde ‘dindarım’ diyenler
>>>>>>>>> azalıyor. Ateistim diyenler 10 yılda yüzde 1’den yüzde 4’e çıkmış. Başını
>>>>>>>>> örtenler azalıyor yüzde 58’den 50’ye düşmüş. Bu sonuçlar gösteriyor ki çok
>>>>>>>>> din dersi vermek çok iyi bir şey yapmak değil tek başına. Ama din dersi de
>>>>>>>>> yoğun olarak verip başarılı olan örneklerde var (dünyanın en prestijli
>>>>>>>>> üniversitelerinde hoca olan ve çölün ortasına en prestijli üniversiteler
>>>>>>>>> kuran yahudiler gibi.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sonrasında Ergün hocam felsefe bilmek artık elzem sanırım hepimiz
>>>>>>>>> için, mesela Habermas ile literatüre giren kamusal alan;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kısıtlamaya maruz kalmadan, alana girilebilen, toplanılabilen,
>>>>>>>>> düşünme faaliyeti yürütülebilen fikirlerin biçimlendirilebildiği kollektif
>>>>>>>>> mekan olarak tanımlanmaktadır. Bu tanımdan sonra internet ve globalleşme
>>>>>>>>> ile değişen paradigma sonrası artık Sosyal medya , mail grupları, what's up
>>>>>>>>> grupları, Kafeler, Tiyatrolar, Sanat atölyeleri, Fikir atölyeleri vb.
>>>>>>>>> yerler yeni kamusal alan olarak tanımlanmaktadır. Bu alanda herkes sanal
>>>>>>>>> bir gerçeklik yaşayarak (bu da Baumann'ın ifadelerinden) daha kendine
>>>>>>>>> güvenli bir şekilde fikirlerini ifade etmektedir. (Usul ve üslup ve
>>>>>>>>> fikirlere katılmasam da)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Diğer taraftan Abuzer hocam, bahsettiğiniz felsefeyi hepimiz
>>>>>>>>> okumalıyız. Verilen din dersinin de ontolojik ve epistemolojik olarak
>>>>>>>>> incelenerek verilmesi gerekir. Din nedir? Din insanı iyiye götürüyor mu?
>>>>>>>>> Dindar olarak tanımlanan kişiler üzerinde dinin etkisi nedir ? Müslümanın
>>>>>>>>> çoğunlukta olduğu bir toplulukta bu kadar çok yolsuzluk, hırsızlık, tecavüz
>>>>>>>>> varsa bu bir yerlerde bir şeylerin tam yapılmadığını göstergesi olarak
>>>>>>>>> anlaşılmaz mı? Bunlar din felsefesinde ontolojinin ve epistemolojinin
>>>>>>>>> sorularından bazıları. Bu soruların cevapları daha çok din dersi vermekle
>>>>>>>>> ve bunu savunmakla değil din alanında tanımlanan kavramların ontolojik ve
>>>>>>>>> epistemolojik olarak incelenmesiyle bulunur. Bu şekilde din dersi
>>>>>>>>> anlatırsanız bu din gırtlaktan aşağı inmemiş denir. Müslümanlığın
>>>>>>>>> ezberletilmesi olur ki o zaman da ontolojik ve epistemolojik temele
>>>>>>>>> inemeyen, kullandığı literatürü yaşayamayan aciz bireyler ortaya çıkar.
>>>>>>>>> (Bunun benzerini İslami literatürde dinsel argümanların en çok kullanıldığı
>>>>>>>>> ancak müslümanların sevmediği Emevi halifesi Yezid döneminde görüyoruz.)
>>>>>>>>> Her halükarda savunduğunuz argümanlarla çelişen bir tutum sergiliyorsunuz.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uzattıysam kusura bakmayın.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> İyi günler
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 6:20 PM Abuzer Gündüz <abuzer78 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sevgili Ergun bey,
>>>>>>>>>> Ben söyleyeceğimi söyledim. Anlayıp anlamamakta özgürsünüz.
>>>>>>>>>> Bundan sonrası ego savaşı olur ve sürdürmeyi uygun görmüyorum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 14 Eki 2020 Çar, saat 17:58 tarihinde Ergun Yalcin <
>>>>>>>>>> yalcine at fen.bilkent.edu.tr> şunu yazdı:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sevgili Abuzer,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Daha kime e-mail attığını bilmiyorsun, git biraz kitap oku
>>>>>>>>>>> diyorsun. Pes yani. İnternette bu tür yazışmaları görüyordum, ama insan
>>>>>>>>>>> başına gelince işin saçmalığını anlıyormuş.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ergün Yalçın
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Oct 2020, at 17:41, Abuzer Gündüz <abuzer78 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sevgili Ergun bey
>>>>>>>>>>> Bu beni rahatsız etmiyor, rahatsız olanlara da saygı duyarım.
>>>>>>>>>>> Bir yere kadar hak da veririm. Fakat din eğitimi alan insanları ve
>>>>>>>>>>> böylelikle Türkiye deki mütedeyin insanları aşağılamak ve etiketlemek
>>>>>>>>>>> doğrusu anlam veremediğim bir basitlik. Bu liste bu hususlar içinde uygun
>>>>>>>>>>> bir yer olmasa gerek. Türkiye deki bilimsel camianın sorunlarını dile
>>>>>>>>>>> getirmek için halkın kutsallarına saldırmak ve onları küçümsemek
>>>>>>>>>>> basitliktir, zor olan empati yapıp çağdaş dünyanın felsefe bilim
>>>>>>>>>>> düşüncesine kulak kesilmektir. Size biraz felsefe okumanızı ve ontolojinin
>>>>>>>>>>> ne olduğunu anlamaya çalışmanızı öneririm. Modern epistemolojinin enkazı
>>>>>>>>>>> olan fikirlerle bu çağın dilini kuramayız. Az biraz saygı lütfen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 14 Eki 2020 Çar, saat 17:25 tarihinde Ergun Yalcin <
>>>>>>>>>>> yalcine at fen.bilkent.edu.tr> şunu yazdı:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sevgili Abuzer kardeşim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Burası matematik listesi. Okullarda matematik derslerinin
>>>>>>>>>>>> azaltılması yerine din dersleri konması sizi rahatsız etmiyorsa, ne işiniz
>>>>>>>>>>>> var burada? Neden uğraşıp matematik doktorası yapmaya çalışıyorsunuz.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Öğrendiğiniz matematiği başkasına öğretemeyecekseniz ne işinize yarayacak o
>>>>>>>>>>>> doktora?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ergün Yalçın
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Oct 2020, at 15:59, Abuzer Gündüz <abuzer78 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ergin bey saçmalamışsınız ve seviyenize inmek istemiyorum. Size
>>>>>>>>>>>> taptığınız ideolojinizle mutluluklar dilerim. Ayrıca bu sözleri Türkiye de
>>>>>>>>>>>> yaşayan bir müslüman olarak aynen iade ediyorum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 Eki 2020 Sal, saat 15:00 tarihinde <
>>>>>>>>>>>> turkmath-request at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr> şunu yazdı:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. [Turkmath:4610] Sir Roger Penrose (Mustafa Kalafat)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. [Turkmath:4611] Re: Sir Roger Penrose (
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yalcine at fen.bilkent.edu.tr)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. [Turkmath:4612] Re: [Tmd-uye: 2895] Re: Sir Roger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Penrose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Zafer ERCAN)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:56:07 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mustafa Kalafat <kalafg at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: turkmath <turkmath at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tmd-uye at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Turkmath:4610] Sir Roger Penrose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAC7W7Fw-O6KkEqYe0kMdiw1nirC8N2+0w+aQusutxc3wYB+qTw at mail.gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sevgili Matematik?iler ve Fizik?iler...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Detayl? haberlerini ald???n?z ?zere, bu sene
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel fizik ?d?l? karadelik?ilere gitti.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bu dahil t?m genellemelerin yanl?? oldu?u varsay?m?n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> da katarak size baz? genel bilgiler vereyim:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?ncelikle Sir Roger Penrose benim "matematiksel dedem" olur.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doktora hocam Claude LeBrun, 1980 y?l?nda Penrose ile doktora
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?al??malar?n? tamamlam?? ve bir fizik mezunu olarak girdi?i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oxforddan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d??ar? kendini bir p?r matematik?i olarak atm??t?r.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kendisiyle en son 2016 yaz?nda Montrealde LeBrun'un
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60. do?um g?n? m?nasebetiyle tertiplenen toplant?da g?r??t?k.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daha ?ncesinde de NewYorkta vs kar??la?ma ?ans?m?z oldu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2016dan sonra ise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ben yurtd???na ??kmaya pek f?rsat bulamad???m i?in m?mk?n
>>>>>>>>>>>>> olmad?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doktora tezimde de onun icad etti?i "Twistor Teori" yi ??renip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kullanma
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?ans? bulmu?tum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bir k?s?m 4-boyutlu y?zeyleri yap??t?r?rken olu?an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sing?lariteleri(?arp?kl?k,tekillik) ??zmek i?in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?st kattaki Twistor uzaylar?na ge?ip orada o sing?lariteleri
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??zmek daha
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kolay oluyordu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??nk? altkatta diferansiyel geometri ve analiz dururken,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?stkatta cebirsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geometri
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kullanarak problemi cebirsel-sonlu formatlara d?n??t?rmek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> m?mk?n oluyordu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Penrose'un g?r??lerine g?re t?m kainat Big Bangle (B?y?k
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patlama) meydana
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gelmedi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daha ?ncesinde ba?ka evrenler de vard? ve karadelikler de
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunun kan?t?d?r.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fakat ?uan a?ina oldu?umuz evren Big Bang neticesiyle meydana
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geldi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conformal cyclic cosmology(CCC)yi yani d?ng?sel evren modelini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> savunur ve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tek bir bigbang de?il, defalarca olan bigbangler ve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sing?lariteler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> s?zkonusudur.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?d?l almas?na g?sterilen ana gerek?e ise 1965lerde
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yapt??? yine kabaca belirtecek olursak, genel relativite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> teorisi yani o
>>>>>>>>>>>>> zamanki fizi?in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bir sonucu olarak karadeliklerin olmas? gerekti?ini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ispatlamas?,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matematiksel zeminine/modeline oturtmas?d?r.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?lk karadelik foto?raf?n?n 2019da ?ekilip g?zlemlenmesi ise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?d?le sebebiyet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vermesi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yolunda bir a?ama olmas? kuvvetle ihtimal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benzer ?ekilde Peter Higgs in 1960larda ?ne s?rd??? Higgs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> par?ac??? ya da
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tanr? par?ac???n?n g?zlemlenmesi 2012de ger?ekle?tikten sonra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013de nobel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alm??t?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawking 2016da verdi?i konu?mada karadeliklerin hala
>>>>>>>>>>>>> g?zlemlenememesi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> y?z?nden Nobel ?d?l? alamad???n? s?ylemektedir.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018de 76 ya??nda aram?zdan ayr?lan Hawking bug?n ya?asayd?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> muhtemelen Nobeli 89 ya??ndaki Penrose ile payla?acakt?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> T?pk? ortak ?al??malar? sebebiyle daha ?nceleri
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolf ve Eddington ?d?llerini beraber payla?t?klar? gibi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Penrose kendini matematik?i kabul ediyor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?ngilizce/Almanca Vikipedya sitelerine de o ?ekilde ge?irmi?:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bir noktadan sonra bunun ayr?m?n? yapmak pek de m?mk?n de?il.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witten hepimizden fazla matematik ve fizik biliyor olmal?,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ki tarih de muhtemelen ??nk? lisans? tarih diye duymu?tum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Son olarak, her ne kadar ana ak?m dinlere inanmad???n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belirtmesine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ra?men sipirit?el de bir karakteri vard?r.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?yle ki 85 ya??nda u?a?a atlay?p transatlantik yolculuk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaparak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??rencisinin do?umg?n?nde bulunup tepeg?zle renkli ?zenerek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haz?rlanm??
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slidelarla
>>>>>>>>>>>>> konu?mas?n? vermi?tir. Foto?raf da vard? bende o son ?zel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaz?lm??
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slide?yla ama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?imdi eri?emedim, daha sonra payla?abilirim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> G?n?m?z T?rkiyesinde bolca ?retilmi?, tek tip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beton gibi materyalist, kendinden ba?ka hi?bir?eyi d???nmeyen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tak?m ruhundan ve empatiden fersah fersah uzak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> selam vermeyi, ge?mi? olsun demeyi dahi beceremeyen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gecesi g?nd?z? hazc?l?k pe?inde ko?an "entellekt?el" tipini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d???n?nce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??lde vaha g?rm?? gibi hissediyor insan kendini.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bat?da ?okca var b?ylelerinden asl?nda ama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dar?s? ba??m?za diyelim art?k.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> selamlar...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do?. Dr. Mustafa Kalafat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT1: "the road to reality" adl? tu?la gibi kitab? ile ilgili
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bir
>>>>>>>>>>>>> konu?mas?nda,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu kitab? ba?tan sona okunmas? i?in yazmad???n?, hatta
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kendisinin dahi bunu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yapmad???n?,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancak bu ?ekilde ba?tan sonra okuyan insanlar? duyunca
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?a??rd???n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> s?ylemi?ti.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mealen: kitap, ilgi duydu?unuz bir b?l?m?n? a??p okuman?z i?in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaz?lm??,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?yle ilk sayfadan ba?lay?p s?rayla sonuna kadar okuyaca??m
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diye kasmay?n.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ha, o b?l?m, ?u b?l?m derken bir bakm??s?n?z t?m kitap bitmi?,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o ayr?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Ek?is?zl?k al?nt?d?r]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT2: Daha teknik detaylar i?in, ?stanbul Diferansiyel Geometri
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seminerlerimize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilgilenenleri s?n?fta ve online olarak bekleriz:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kalafat.droppages.com/seminars/gt20.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> |Mustafa Kalafat ---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Associate Professor of Mathematics |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Nesin Mathematical Village |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Web : http://kalafat.droppages.com/ |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "yalcine at fen.bilkent.edu.tr" <yalcine at fen.bilkent.edu.tr
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Mustafa Kalafat <kalafg at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: tmd-uye at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr, turkmath
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <turkmath at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Turkmath:4611] Re: Sir Roger Penrose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 717B830E-D494-4C88-915E-F63181227D59 at fen.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Son olarak, her ne kadar ana ak?m dinlere inanmad???n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belirtmesine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ra?men sipirit?el de bir karakteri vard?r.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ?yle ki 85 ya??nda u?a?a atlay?p transatlantik yolculuk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaparak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ??rencisinin do?umg?n?nde bulunup tepeg?zle renkli ?zenerek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haz?rlanm?? slidelarla
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > konu?mas?n? vermi?tir. Foto?raf da vard? bende o son ?zel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaz?lm?? slide?yla ama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ?imdi eri?emedim, daha sonra payla?abilirim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > G?n?m?z T?rkiyesinde bolca ?retilmi?, tek tip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > beton gibi materyalist, kendinden ba?ka hi?bir?eyi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d???nmeyen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tak?m ruhundan ve empatiden fersah fersah uzak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > selam vermeyi, ge?mi? olsun demeyi dahi beceremeyen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gecesi g?nd?z? hazc?l?k pe?inde ko?an "entellekt?el" tipini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d???n?nce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ??lde vaha g?rm?? gibi hissediyor insan kendini.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bat?da ?okca var b?ylelerinden asl?nda ama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dar?s? ba??m?za diyelim art?k.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y?z y?ze e?itimde matematik dersleri bir saat azalt?lm??,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yerine bir saat fazla din dersi yap?lacakm??.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeni nesil din ad? alt?nda her t?rl? ahlaks?zl??? yapan daha
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?spirituel? bir nesil olacak. Art?k laikli?i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> savunan beton gibi materyalistler kalmayacak, onlar?n nesli
>>>>>>>>>>>>> t?keniyor, rahatlayabilirsin Mustafa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erg?n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:00:37 +0300 (EET)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Zafer ERCAN <zercan at ibu.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Ergun Yalcin <yalcine at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: tmd <tmd-uye at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, turkmath
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <turkmath at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, Mustafa Kalafat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kalafg at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Turkmath:4612] Re: [Tmd-uye: 2895] Re: Sir Roger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Penrose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1190499999.1340030.1602579637771.JavaMail.zimbra at ibu.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Norve?'te ya?ayan materyalist ayd?nlar?n ''Pamuk'' gibi laik
>>>>>>>>>>>>> olmalar? do?al, ama T?rkiye'de ya?ayan ayd?n materyalistler?n ''?elik''
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laik olmamalar? tehlikelidir.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ergun Yalcin" <yalcine at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Mustafa Kalafat" <kalafg at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "tmd" <tmd-uye at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "turkmath" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turkmath at listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:21:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Tmd-uye: 2895] Re: [Turkmath:4610] Sir Roger Penrose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Son olarak, her ne kadar ana ak?m dinlere inanmad???n?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belirtmesine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ra?men sipirit?el de bir karakteri vard?r.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ?yle ki 85 ya??nda u?a?a atlay?p transatlantik yolculuk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaparak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ??rencisinin do?umg?n?nde bulunup tepeg?zle renkli ?zenerek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haz?rlanm?? slidelarla
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > konu?mas?n? vermi?tir. Foto?raf da vard? bende o son ?zel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yaz?lm?? slide?yla ama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ?imdi eri?emedim, daha sonra payla?abilirim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > G?n?m?z T?rkiyesinde bolca ?retilmi?, tek tip,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > beton gibi materyalist, kendinden ba?ka hi?bir?eyi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d???nmeyen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tak?m ruhundan ve empatiden fersah fersah uzak,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > selam vermeyi, ge?mi? olsun demeyi dahi beceremeyen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > gecesi g?nd?z? hazc?l?k pe?inde ko?an "entellekt?el" tipini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d???n?nce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ??lde vaha g?rm?? gibi hissediyor insan kendini.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bat?da ?okca var b?ylelerinden asl?nda ama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dar?s? ba??m?za diyelim art?k.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Y?z y?ze e?itimde matematik dersleri bir saat azalt?lm??,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yerine bir saat fazla din dersi yap?lacakm??.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeni nesil din ad? alt?nda her t?rl? ahlaks?zl??? yapan daha
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?spirituel? bir nesil olacak. Art?k laikli?i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> savunan beton gibi materyalistler kalmayacak, onlar?n nesli
>>>>>>>>>>>>> t?keniyor, rahatlayabilirsin Mustafa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erg?n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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