<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Elbette korku insani bir duygudur. Bir insanın korkması da yadırganacak bir durum değildir. Ancak burada </div><div>söz konusu olan ''korku'' değildir.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Eğer bu liste üyelerinin çoğunluğu ''korktuğu'' için çok temel görüşlerini yazamıyorlarsa yazıklar olsun onlara. </div><div>Bu kadar korkaklık içerisinde nasıl özgürce düşünüp ve matematik çalışıyorlar?</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Kim kimi korkutuyor, bir kaç somut örnek verebilir misiniz? </div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Bir takım kirli çıkar ilişkilerinin yarattığı içiçe geçmiş ''dayanışma'' nedeniyle görüş bildirememe </div><div>durumu, ''mağdurluk''la geçiştirilmesin. Bu durum birçok şeyle açıklanabilir, bu, bazende arsızlıktır.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>ZE </div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div> </div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>Kimden: </b>"Mehmet Can" <mcan@ius.edu.ba><br><b>Kime: </b>"yilmaz akyildiz" <yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com><br><b>Kk: </b>"Mehmet Can" <Mehmet.Can@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "Zafer ERCAN" <zercan@ibu.edu.tr>, "tmd-uye" <tmd-uye@yunus.listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "turkmath" <turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr><br><b>Gönderilenler: </b>16 Kasım Çarşamba 2016 12:28:34<br><b>Konu: </b>Re: Boğaziçi Üniversitesi rektörü seçildi...<br></div><br><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><style style="display: none;" data-mce-style="display: none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} --></style>
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<p>Burada daha once</p>
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<p>Ikinci sinif dusunce yoktur</p>
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<p>Bu listede bir grup insan, kendi dusuncesini birinci sinif dusunce kabul eder, ona uymayanlari asagilar en azindan kaale almaz.</p>
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<p>Boyle insanlar bir dayanisma icindedir. Iclerinden birinin yazdigi sey ne kadar absurd olursa olsun, onu destekler, ya da en azindan tevile calisir. Zaferin Cumhuriyet mesajinda oldugu gibi.</p>
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<p>Zaferin mesaji hakkinda goruslerimi acikca yazdim. </p>
<p>Zafer tepki olarak benim 8 Nisan 2016'da yazdigim bir yaziyi tasidi.</p>
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<p>Yazi bu listeye egemen olmus grubun ortak degerlerine pek uymuyordu.</p>
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<p>Yazimin arkasinda durdum.</p>
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<p>Ali Nesin'in tepkisini okudunuz.</p>
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<p>Yazimin arkasinda durusumu "piskinlik" olarak niteledi.</p>
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<p>Hic kimseden ses cikmadi.</p>
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<p>Butun bunlar, listeye egemen olan grubun dusunce tarzini paylasmayan ve Turkiye Matematikcilerinin cogunlugunu olusturdugunu dusundugum meslekdaslarimizin bu listeye dusuncelerini acikca yazmalarina mani olmaktadir.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt;">Liste uzerine dusunce tekeli kurmus olan grubun nasil marjinal bir matematikci azinligi oldugunu anlamak icin bu listeye gorus yazan insanlari saymak ve bu sayiyi T<span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;" data-mce-style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">urkiye
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M. Ikeda dediniz de yaramı deştiniz, Sn. M. Can.</div>
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Sanırım Gündüz Hoca mız 66 da İzmirde idi. </div>
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Ondan cebir mi almıştınız yoksa istatistik mi?</div>
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Ben de size bir sır vereyim: </div>
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ZE türkçe orijinal bir Topoloji kitabı yazdı. </div>
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Değişik bir anlatım kullanmış.</div>
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Bence çok pedegojik bir iş yapmış.</div>
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Bakalım kıymeti bilinecekmi..</div>
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Diğer taraftan, size gelen özel destekleyici mesajlar tabiki sizin ve yazanların özeli ama bakın bizler her görüşümüzü burada paylaşıyoruz. </div>
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yaşadığımız şu zor günlerde kutuplaşmaktansa birbirimize açık olmakta fayda var diyorum. </div>
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bir de her şey matematik için, biraz da vatan...</div>
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<p>Matematik hayatima 1966 yilinda M Ikeda hocanin rahle-i tedrisinde basladim.</p>
<p>Ilk Turkce topoloji metni benin Petterson tercumemdir.</p>
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<p>Burada yazdiklarima alkis beklemiyorum.</p>
<p>Kaale alip yazanlara da yazmayanlara da tesekkurler.</p>
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<p>Size bir sir vereyim.</p>
<p>Burada yazdiklarimdan bazilarina burada yanit vermekten cekinip de fikirlerini ozel olarak belirten bir cok kisi var.</p>
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<p>Bu kaba hegemonya, bu listenin ayibidir.</p>
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Cantor da sonsuzluk fikri ile uğraşırken zamanın Hilbert gibi baba matematikçilerince deli addedilip dışlanmıştı. Netekim sonunda Cantor ne yazık ki tımarhanelik oldu. ZE de sabahın 2 sinde aziz türk milletine yeni bir sonsuzluk tarifi getirmiş ve çam sakızı
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Bakınız, takip edebildiğim kadar ile direk isimle bile hitap edip mesaj attığınız kişiler size cevap vermezken sadece ZE sizin mesajlarınızı ciddiye alıp anında cevap yazıyor. Onun kıymetini biliniz! ve yazılarını daha dikkatli okuyunuz. O bir Cantor olabilir...
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Geçen gece saat 2 civarında aşağıdaki saptamayı yaptım. Sizce bu hayır mı yoksa şer midir?</p>
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''Gecenin bu saatinde halkımıza sonsuzluk kavramının ne olduğunu açıklama ihtiyacı hissettim: Fizikte sonsuzluk kavramı yoktur.
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Matematikte ise, bir kümenin bir sonsuzu, o kümeye ait olmayan bir noktadır (nokta da kümedir). Bu durumda, her nokta
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boşkümenin bir sonsuzudur. Bu tanımlamam Türk halkına ''çam sakızı çoban armağanı'' olsun.''</p>
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