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      Sayın Liste Üyeleri,<br>
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      Somut önerimi açıklayayım. Daha önce de yaptım benzer önerileri,
      ilk değil. Kıvanç Ersoy'un tutuklanmasından sonra ve<br>
      bir de Boğaziçi Üniversitesi'ne kayyum atandığında. İlk sefer, bu
      yönde bir ivme de varmış ki tepki aldı ama ortaya çıkan içi<br>
      boşaltılmış bir metindi. İkinci seferde birkaç tık... Yeniden
      yapayım. Yine yaparım. Çaresizlik değil, verilmesi gereken<br>
      minimal tepkidir. Bu tepki bugün Cebeci'de dayak yiyen
      meslektaşlarına (eminim onların da bir kısmının aileleri, bakacak
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      çocukları vardır) Türkiye matematikçilerinin bir borcudur. <br>
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      TMD bir metin kaleme almalıdır. Bu metinde KHK'larla
      üniversitelerin biçilmesine karşı çıkılmalı, atılan öğretim
      üyelerinin<br>
      geri alınması istenmeli ve özellikle son KHK'ya vurgu
      yapılmalıdır. Bu metin tıpkı Kıvanç Ersoy metni gibi anasayfamıza<br>
      konulmalıdır. Dernek adına olmasını tercih ederim. Yok eğer
      yönetim kurulunu özel bir tacize tabi tutma tehlikesi varsa,<br>
      o zaman kişisel imzaya da açılabilir. Metin kamuyouna da
      duyurulmalıdır: medya, yükseköğrenim kurumları, siyasi çevreler.<br>
      Ergün'e atıfla Abdullah Gül'ün ve çok daha iktidara yakın
      çevrelerin rahatsızlık belirttiği bir dönemde bir ses daha gelmiş
      olur.<br>
      Yani bir nebze işlevsellik şansı vardır. Ve yukarıda da yazdığım
      gibi verilmesi gereken bir tepkidir. <br>
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      Susmaya hakkımız yok. Zafer Ercan'ın de belirttiği gibi sessizliğe
      TMD dışında başka alternatifler olabilir. Ama ben TMD'den de<br>
      tepki gelmesi gerektiğini düşünüyorum. Şunu da belirteyim: bu
      düşüncemin doğruluğu benim Türkiye'nin içinde ya da<br>
      dışında yaşamamdan bağımsızdır.<br>
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      Saygılar,<br>
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      Tuna Altınel<br>
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      Le 10.2.2017 à 21:49, Zafer ERCAN a écrit :<br>
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        <div>Sessiz kalmak bir hak degildir, acik bir destektir. </div>
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        <div>Matematik yapmak cevrenin kirliliginden kacmak olmadigi
          gibi sessizlik</div>
        <div>en buyuk kirliliklerden biridir. </div>
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        <div>Sessiz kalmamanin karsiligini  ''bildiri yayinlamasi''
          basitligine indirgenmek beklenen de degildir, ozellikle </div>
        <div>arsizligin olaganlastigi zamanlarda. Orgutlulugu sadece
          dernek uzerinden beklemekte gerekli degildir...</div>
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        <div>ZE</div>
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        <div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>Kimden: </b>"Ergun Yalcin"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:yalcine@fen.bilkent.edu.tr"><yalcine@fen.bilkent.edu.tr></a><br>
          <b>Kime: </b>"Kıvanç Ersoy"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ersoykivanc@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"><ersoykivanc@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a><br>
          <b>Kk: </b>"Zafer ERCAN"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"><Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>, "tmd-uye"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"><tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>, "Oguz Akbilgic"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"><Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>, "Tuna ALTINEL"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:altinel@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"><altinel@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>, "turkmath"
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"><turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a><br>
          <b>Gönderilenler: </b>10 Şubat Cuma 2017 21:52:44<br>
          <b>Konu: </b>Re: [Turkmath:1954] Re: [PROMO][Tmd-uye: 1477]
          Re: Re: Sessizlik<br>
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          <div>Sevgili Tuna,</div>
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          <div>Yazdıklarını olan bitene bir tepki olarak çaresizlikten
            yazdığını düşünüyorum. Neden kimse birşey yapmıyor serdenişi
            de ancak dışarıdan bakan birinin yazabileceği birşey.
            İçeriden bakınca aslında korkudan çok bıkkınlıktan tepki
            verilmiyor artık. Bu yapılanların yanlış olduğunu matematik
            derneği söylemeyince insanlar bilmeyecek mi yani? Onaylıyor
            gibi mi görüneceğiz? Bu işleri yapanlar kendileri bile
            biliyor ne kadar anlamsız işler yaptıklarını. Hiçbir kanıt
            göstermeden sırf muhalif oldukları için birilerini işten
            atmanın, üniversiteden uzaklaştırmanın bir mantığı olabilir
            mi? </div>
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          <div>Bir bildiri daha yayınlayabilir matematik derneği
            istenirse ama bu saatten sonra böyle bir bildiri yayınlansa
            ne olur, yayınlanmasa ne olur. Bugün Abdullah Gül bile
            yapılanlar yanlış demiş. Bu kargaşa içinde kim dinler
            matematik derneğini. </div>
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          <div>Bir de birilerinin sessiz kalma hakkı varsa buna en çok
            matematikçilerin hakkı vardır. Sonuç olarak matematik biraz
            da günlük hayatın kirliliğinden kaçmak için yapılan
            birşeydir.</div>
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          <div>Bugün Kıvanç'ın yazdıklarına büyük oranda katılıyorum.
            Ayrıntıları bilmesem de Mustafa Kalafat'ın da aramızda
            olamayışına üzülenlerdenim.</div>
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          <div>Selamlar </div>
          <div>Ergün Yalçın</div>
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          <div><br>
            On Feb 10, 2017, at 7:56 PM, Kıvanç Ersoy <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ersoykivanc@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"
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              data-mce-href="mailto:ersoykivanc@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr">ersoykivanc@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Bence KHK'lar ile sorgusuz sualsiz işten
                        çıkarılmanın mümkün olması adaletin olmadığının
                        bir kanıtıdır. Adaletin kırıntısı olsa,  en
                        azından bu süreçler savunma hakkını içeren
                        soruşturmalar ile yürürdü, itiraz hakkı olurdu,
                        kararlar yargısız verilmezdi.  Bir gecede bir
                        KHK ile işten atıldığını kimse öğrenmezdi. Zaten
                        fikir özgürlüğü diye birşey mevcut olsa o
                        soruşturmalar yargılamalar bile yapılamazdı.<br>
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                      Ben de sadece benim gibi Barış Bildirisi
                      imzacıları ya da genel olarak
                      solcular/barışseverler de değil, KHK'lar ile işten
                      çıkarılmış herkesin, Fethullahçı, sağcı, İslamcı,
                      devrimci ya da barış akademisyeni olmasına bile
                      bakmadan, herkesin bu hukuksuz uygulamalar
                      sorgusuz sualsiz ile işten çıkarılmasını
                      kınıyorum.  Kapatılan üniversitelerde çalışan
                      meslektaşlarımızın işe girme haklarının bile yok
                      sayılmasını, KHK ile işten çıkarılanların
                      emeklilik haklarının, pasaportlarının iptal
                      edilmesini kınıyorum. <br>
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                    Bu vesileyle, dünyaya çok farklı yerlerden de
                    baksak, tutuklu meslektaşımız Mustafa Kalafat'ın da
                    en kısa sürede özgürlüğüne kavuşmasını diliyorum.<br>
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                  Selamlar<br>
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                Kıvanç Ersoy<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">10 Şubat 2017 16:18 tarihinde
                  Zafer ERCAN <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                  yazdı:<br>
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                        <div>Korkmak insani bir duygudur. Asgari ucretle
                          calisan bir tezgahtarin korkusu ve korkmasi da
                          anlasilabilir.</div>
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                        <div>Ancak universitelerde dusunebilmeyi yok
                          etmeye yonelik uygulamalara universitelerin
                          sessiz kalmalari</div>
                        <div>alinlarina yapisacak kara bir leke olarak
                          kalacaktir.</div>
                        <br>
                        <div>Genel olarak fasizmin destek aldigi en
                          buyuk kesim sessiz cogunluktur.</div>
                        <br>
                        <div>Yakin zamanda Trump'in irkci vize
                          uygulamalarina sessiz kalmayan Amerikan
                          Matematik Dernegi'nin</div>
                        <div>aciklmasi:  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.ams.org/news?news_id=3305"
                            target="_blank"
                            data-mce-href="http://www.ams.org/news?news_id=3305">http://www.ams.org/news?news_id=3305</a>
                          . Ayni bicimde akademik bir meslek orgutu olan</div>
                        <div>Turk Matematik Dernegi, ozellikle son
                          zamanlarda universitelere yonelik haksiz
                          uygulamalara  sessiz kalmamalidir,</div>
                        <div>hakkinda yoktur.</div>
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                        <div>ZE</div>
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                        <div><b>Kimden: </b>"H. Birkan YILMAZ" <<a
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                            href="mailto:yilmhuse@boun.edu.tr"
                            target="_blank"
                            data-mce-href="mailto:yilmhuse@boun.edu.tr">yilmhuse@boun.edu.tr</a>><br>
                          <b>Kime: </b>"Oguz Akbilgic" <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"
                            target="_blank"
                            data-mce-href="mailto:Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr">Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>><br>
                          <b>Kk: </b>"tmd-uye" <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"
                            target="_blank"
                            data-mce-href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr">tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                          "turkmath" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"
                            target="_blank"
                            data-mce-href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr">turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                          "Tuna ALTINEL" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:altinel@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"
                            target="_blank"
                            data-mce-href="mailto:altinel@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr">altinel@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>><br>
                          <b>Gönderilenler: </b>10 Şubat Cuma 2017
                          17:28:10<br>
                          <b>Konu: </b>[PROMO][Tmd-uye: 1477] Re:
                          [Turkmath:1951] Re:  Sessizlik<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">Yurtdisinda bulunan bir
                                akademisyen olarak Oguz Akbilgic'e
                                katiliyorum: Tek cumle bile olsa, tarihe
                                bu uygulamanin karsisinda olan bir
                                dernek olarak gecmek icin bir
                                beklentimiz var. Ama tabiiki yurtdisinda
                                olmanin rahatligiyla bunlari soyluyor
                                olmam da cok mumkun ve herkese hak
                                veriyoum.<br>
                                <div>kolay gelsin</div>
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                                            data-mce-style="font-size:
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                                            PhD <br>
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                                              data-mce-style="font-size:
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                                              Yonsei University, Korea </div>
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                                              data-mce-style="font-size:
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                                              of Convergence Technology,<br>
                                              School of Integrated
                                              Technology,</div>
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                                              target="_blank"
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-10
                                  23:16 GMT+09:00 Oguz Akbilgic <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      data-mce-href="mailto:Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr">Oguz.Akbilgic@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>></span>:<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Sayin Altinel,<br>
                                      <div>Kaniksadigim uygulanan fasist
                                        darbe hukuku degil, dernegimizin
                                        bu konudaki tavridir. Bunun
                                        nedeni de Turkiye'de
                                        akademisyenlik yapmiyor
                                        olmamdir, zira israr edince
                                        Sayin Nesin'in verdigine benzer
                                        tepkiler almamiz cok olasi ve
                                        dogal belki de. </div>
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                                      <div>Ama yine de yazdiklariniza
                                        katilmamam mumkun degil.
                                        Beklentimiz cok da buyuk de
                                        degildi, TMD olarak sokaklara
                                        cikilmasa, YOK ya da TBMM ye
                                        yurunsunmese de olurdu. TMD nin
                                        yargisiz infazlar ile
                                        akademisyenlerin atilmasina
                                        karsi oldugunu tek cumlede
                                        belirtmesi bile yeterdi. En
                                        azindan tarihe, bu uygulamalarin
                                        karsisinda olmus bir dernek
                                        olarak gecerdik.</div>
                                      <br>
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                                              Sayın Liste Üyeleri,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Tık yok! Yok yok,
                                              hakkımızı yemeyelim. Dört
                                              tık oldu. Önce Mehmet Can
                                              (o bile!) ses verdi,
                                              ardından Feza<br>
                                              durumu veciz bir şekilde
                                              özetledi, sonra Hüseyin
                                              Eğinç'ten bir mesaj geldi.
                                              En son da Pınar Kılıçer,
                                              ne yapmalı,<br>
                                              sorusunun birkaç somut
                                              yanıtından birini
                                              ayrıntılarıyla verdi. Ama
                                              o kadar! Sanki 7 şubat
                                              KHK'sının yürürlüğe<br>
                                              girdiği ülke Türkiye
                                              değil. Ya da sanki Türkiye
                                              de, Türkiye'li
                                              matematikçiler Türkiye'de
                                              yaşamıyorlar. İspatlara mı<br>
                                              çok daldılar nedir?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Türkiye'li matematikçiler,
                                              neredesiniz? Sesiniz mi
                                              kısıldı?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sizler Boğaziçi'nin,
                                              ODTÜ'nün matematikçileri!
                                              KHK'yla üniversite biçen,
                                              insanları bir gecede
                                              işinden ekmeğinden<br>
                                              eden pervasız
                                              saldırganlığın öncelikli
                                              hedef tahtaları değil mi
                                              kurumlarınız?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sen Zafer Ercan! Akademik
                                              yaşamdaki birçok
                                              iğretiliğe ses çıkartan,
                                              sessiz çoğunluğu
                                              hareketlendirmeye çalışan<br>
                                              keskin sirke, dilini mi
                                              yuttun?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sizler Koç
                                              Üniversitesi'nin saygın
                                              araştırmacıları! Sen
                                              Atilla Yılmaz, matematik
                                              dışı maillerden bunalan,
                                              sen Kazım,<br>
                                              ne zaman bir araya gelsek
                                              Türkiye'nin halini
                                              dertlendiğimiz, yoksa
                                              kampüsünüzün dünyaya
                                              uzaklığı bir emniyet<br>
                                              duygusu mu veriyor?
                                              Unuttunuz mu, Türkiye'de
                                              bazıları herkesin "inine
                                              giriyor".<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sen İlhan İkeda, saygın
                                              sayılar kuramcımız! Sen
                                              değil miydin
                                              sohbetlerimizde 12 eylül
                                              sonrası ODTÜ'de
                                              ihbarcılığa<br>
                                              soyunan bazı
                                              matematikçilerin akademik
                                              ve insani saygınlıklarını
                                              koruyan meslektaşlarını
                                              nasıl mağdur ettiklerini<br>
                                              anlatan?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Siz Attila Aşkar Hoca,
                                              yönetim kurulu üyeleri!
                                              Aman dernek kapatılmasın
                                              bahanesiyle en ufak bir
                                              tepkiyi<br>
                                              bile sulandırarak neyi
                                              nereye kadar
                                              koruyacaksınız? Derneği,
                                              kişiliğinizi?...<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sizler Ankara'lı
                                              meslektaşlar! Dernek
                                              seçimlerinden sonra
                                              verdiğiniz demokrasi
                                              dersleri ne kadar da tık
                                              nefesmiş!<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sizler Oğuz Akbilgiç,
                                              Taylan Şengül, Birkan
                                              Yılmaz ve belki adlarını
                                              unuttuğum başkaları!
                                              Üniversiteye kayyum<br>
                                              kepazeliğine, önceki
                                              KHK'lara karşı ses
                                              verenler, yoksa
                                              kanıksadınız mı gidişatı?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Siz Ali Nesin, Köy'ün
                                              muhtarı! Yoksa muhtarlar
                                              toplantılarına davet mi
                                              hayal ediyorsunuz?
                                              Defalarca vurguladım<br>
                                              özel mesajlarımda,
                                              sohbetlerimizde.
                                              Üniversitelerin bittiği
                                              gün, ve o gün geldi,
                                              Matematik Köyü'nün,
                                              Felsefe<br>
                                              Köyü'nün hiç bir varoluş
                                              nedeni kalmaz. Şansınız
                                              varsa, o pek
                                              gururlandığınız matematik
                                              eğitim kitapları da<br>
                                              imam hatip liselerinde
                                              kullanılır.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sizler matematikçi Barış
                                              imzadaşlarım! Tek adam
                                              olma hırsının hepimize
                                              karşı açtığı savaş
                                              sesinizi mi kesti?<br>
                                              Bir tek Feza ve Pınar mı
                                              kaldı ses çıkartan?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Ve daha niceleri,
                                              Türkiye'li matematikçiler!
                                              Son KHK'ya karşı bir ses
                                              vermeyecek miyiz?
                                              Türkiye'nin içine
                                              sokulduğu<br>
                                              tabuta son çivilerin
                                              çakılmasına güçlü bir
                                              HAYIR demeyecek miyiz?<br>
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