<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Ergun hocam,</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Böyle bir açıklamayı Adnan Tercan'ın kendisi yapmalıydı. Siz de Adnan Tercan'ın avukatlığını yapmamalıydınız? Böyle bir aktarış biçimi doğal olarak </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">''miş'', ''muş''larla dolmuş.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Hakemlik önerisi geleli 4-5 gün oldu, diğer hakem ne kadar çabuk bir değerlendirme yapmış, anlaşılması çok güç! Oyle olduğuna ilişkin belge göndersin de, anlı </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">şanlı bir kanıt görelim.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">''Kanıtsız sunmak'': Evet kanıtsız sundum,bazı durumlarda  ne kanıtlara ulaşabilirim, ne de kanıtlarla uğraşırım. Bu tür konularda önemli olan gözlemlerdir.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Adnan Tercan'ın hangi dönemlerde  editörlüğe nasıl ve hangi liyakatlarla atandığı konusunda ''kanıtlar''a hiç mi hiç ihtiyaç duymam. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Haftada 35 saat ders programı olan birinin derslere girmeyi sürekli unutmasına karşın ek ders ücretlerini almayı unutmaması üzerine oluşturulan suçlamanın da </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">kanıtları yoktur.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"> <!--StartFragment--></span></span><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">''Adnan hoca ve editorler kurulundaki hocalar TJM dergisini ellerinden geldigince iyi bir sekilde devam ettirmeye calisiyorlar.'' </div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">diye yazmışın, kanıtın var mı? Adnan Tercan dergi için elinden geleni yapmıyor, evet, bunu kanıtsız olarak söylüyorum ve zan altında bırakıyorum!</span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Adnan Tercan hangi liyakat ve girişimlerle editör olduğunu açıklamalıdır.</span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Evet, Cumhuriyet bayramımız kutlu olsun. </span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;">Yaşasın Cumhriyet.</span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14pt;"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></span></div><div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" data-mce-style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weig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</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div><span style="font-size:16pt">1. Dergiler hibrid, kiprit, çakmak gibi isimlerle rüşvetcileştiler ve bunu meşrulaştırdılar. Bu duruma uyumlu bir </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">biçimde </span><span style="font-size:16pt">TJM dergisinin etik kurallar listesine </span><span style="font-size:16pt">''hakem, bir aracı vasıtasıyla yazarlarla iletişime geçerek yazarlardan </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">'Hakemlik Huzur Hakkı' isteyebilir'' maddesi eklenmelidir. Böyle bir maddenin eklenmesi durumunda editör Adnan Tercan'ın </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">''hani bana hani bana'' deme hakkı doğacaktır ve bunun için de bir düzenlenme yapılmalıdır. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">2.  i) Adnan bey, yıllardır dergi editörüsünüz, ''bu çoçuk iyi biridir, bunun makalesini yayınlatırsanız sizin gönlünüzü alırız</span><span style="font-size:16pt">'' </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"> biçiminde </span><span style="font-size:16pt">Merkel'den ya da bir başka  dünya büyüğünden bir ''ahlaksız teklif'' (aaıııyy, ne iğrenç değil mi?)  geldi mi?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">     ii) Selman Akbulut ve Süleyman Üstünel'i dergi editörlüğünden  neden ''şutladınız''?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">3. Süleyman Üstünel ve Selman Akbulut, şutlanma sonrası neden sessiz kaldınız?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">4. İsmail Güloğlu ve Muhammed Uladağ hocalarımız, editörlerin şutlanması geçiştirilemez diyerek  cesaret </span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">    verdiniz ve meydan okudunuz ama sonrası gelmedi! Tepkilerinizin sabun köpüğü gibi değil, çelik gibi olamasını bekliyoruz.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">5. Adnan'cığım, devam edecek...</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16pt">ZE</span></div><br><div> </div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Turkmath mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a><br><a href="http://yunus.listweb.bilkent.edu.tr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/turkmath" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">http://yunus.listweb.bilkent.edu.tr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/turkmath</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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