<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Zafer yazamadığı gibi, konuÅŸamaz da... Kendi içimizde bir ÅŸekilde hallediyoruz iÅŸte!  Tv ye Ã§Ä±kıp "85 milyona" rüsva etme kendini :))) <br><br></div><div>AyÅŸe Uyar</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>Kimden: </b>"Zafer ERCAN" <zercan@ibu.edu.tr><br><b>Kime: </b>"Ali Nesin" <anesin@nesinkoyleri.org><br><b>Kk: </b>"Mustafa Polat" <mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr>, "yilmaz akyildiz" <yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com>, "turkmath" <turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "tmd" <tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "AyÅŸe Uyar" <ayseu@gazi.edu.tr>, "Zafer ERCAN" <Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr><br><b>Gönderilenler: </b>29 Kasım Cuma 2024 15:08:10<br><b>Konu: </b>Re: [Turkmath:6800] karadeniz aklı.. Ã§alışmıyor 12 den sonra... Ek i eklemeyi unutmuÅŸum...<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div style="text-align:right"><br></div><div>Ekran izlemeyi sevmez ama ekranda görünmeyi seven birisisi olmanız yanında bunu saÄŸlayacak Ã§evreniz, müridleriniz ve yan sanayi Ali Nesinleriniz var. EÄŸer siz de arzu eder ve ayarlayabilirseniz bu konuyu konuÅŸmak için canlı online programa Ã§Ä±kabiliriz. Yanınıza AyÅŸe Uyar'i da almanızdan mutlu olurum. Yazışmalardaki sataÅŸmalarıma yanıt vermemeniz sizin  Nietzsche anlaminda Ã¼st insan olduÄŸunuz Ã§aÄŸrışımi yapti. </div><br><div>Tanrı sizi ve Türkü korusun.</div><br><div>ZE</div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="text-align:center"><b>Kimden: </b>"Ali Nesin" <anesin@nesinkoyleri.org><br><b>Kime: </b>"Zafer ERCAN" <zercan@ibu.edu.tr><br><b>Kk: </b>"Mustafa Polat" <mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr>, "yilmaz akyildiz" <yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com>, "turkmath" <turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "tmd" <tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr>, "AyÅŸe Uyar" <ayseu@gazi.edu.tr>, "Zafer ERCAN" <Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr><br><b>Gönderilenler: </b>29 Kasım Cuma 2024 14:11:37<br><b>Konu: </b>Re: [Turkmath:6800] karadeniz aklı.. Ã§alışmıyor 12 den sonra... Ek i eklemeyi unutmuÅŸum...<br></div><br><div><p><br>
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    <p>1) seçim aksiyomu 1 adlı zırvalığa dair: Tabii ki. Anlamıştım
      zaten. Ben yanlış ya da anlamadım demedim ki. Gereksiz dedim.<br>
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    <p>2) seçim aksiyomu 2'ye dair: M, A'nın elemanlarını bileÅŸimi
      olsun, yani M =UA, istediÄŸin hemen olur! Herhalde "\alpha = x
      kesiÅŸim M" demek istiyorsun. O zaman (ne iÅŸe yarayacağını bilmesem
      de) daha ilginç bir probleme benziyor.</p>
    <p>3) Kompakt bir metrik uzayda (sadece reellerde deÄŸil) tanımlanmış
      sürekli fonksiyonların düzgün yakınsak olduklarını kanıtlamak için
      Seçim Aksiyomu'na gerek yok. (Ä°pucu: Her x ve her epsilon için bir
      delta seçmek gerektiÄŸinde, delta yerine 1/n seç, buradaki n de
      istediÄŸini saÄŸlayan en küçük doÄŸal sayı olsun.) <br>
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    <p>4) "Bir tane ya da sonlu tane eleman seçmek yerine küme ailesinin
      her elemanı seçilerek bunlardan oluÅŸan bir küme elde edilebilir ki
      bu, bileÅŸim aksiyomuna karşılık gelir" cümlen içler acılığını
      koruyor.</p>
    <p>5) Ä°htisas alanı olan matematikte bu kadar saçmalayabilen birinin
      baÅŸka konularda dinlenecek sözü olamaz.<br>
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    <p>A<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">29.11.2024 12:48 tarihinde Zafer ERCAN
      yazdı:<br>
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        <div>Ali Nesin, numaralandırılmış açıklamalarını takip ederek
          yanıt vereceÄŸim.</div>
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        <div>1. ''neyse diyelim'' sadakana ihtiyacım yok, sadakanı kendi
          cebine at!  Ä°lgili yazımın birinci açıklamasına verdiÄŸin
          yanıtı ekte ''seçim aksiyomu 1'' isimli </div>
        <div>ekteki açıklamayı oku sonra gerekli mi gereksiz mi oyle
          karar ver, ukalalık ederek ya da hınç alma fırsatcılığıyla
          yanıt verme. ''henüz Ã¶ÄŸrenmiÅŸ'' de deÄŸilim, bu kadar açık bir
          konuda da</div>
        <div>yanılıyorsun. Ä°Ã§ime sindiremediÄŸim konusunda
          haklısın.ÖğrendiÄŸimi zannettiÄŸim her aÅŸamada  tekrar
          sorguluyorum. Bu konuda seviyemi merak edersen online
          Ã¼zerinden konuÅŸma </div>
        <div>fırsatı oluÅŸturabiliriz. Sizin 5'te  biriniz kadar süreli
          bir konuÅŸmaya hazırım. Muhattap olmam falan ÅŸÄ±marıklığı falan
          Ã§ekme.</div>
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        <div>2. DemiÅŸin ki her bildiÄŸini kanıtlamak zorunda mısın? Bir
          Ã¶enek ver! ve Ã¶ncelikle  ÅŸunu söyle: Nereden bu kanıya vardın?
          Sen görüşlerine anlatınca  olunca paylaşım, hizmet ÅŸu bu.
          baÅŸakasının anlatımı olunca ''kanıtlamak zorunda mısın?''
          demek zorunda mısın?<span style="font-size:12pt"> Haddini
            bil! Ayrıca ekteki seçim aksiyom 2 baÅŸlıklı yazıyı oku.
            Burada seçim aksiyomunun denkliklerinin genel kardinaliteler
            Ã¼zerinden ilk akla gelen bir </span>anlama Ã§abası olduÄŸunu
          gör.. Ukalalık yapma.</div>
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        <div>3 Bu konuda Horst Herrlich'in axiom of choice adlı kitabın
          Teorem 3.14'e bakabilirsin.</div>
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        <div>Ali Nesin, kimin ne hizmet verdiÄŸinin seviyesini belirleme
          ÅŸefliÄŸinden kendini kurtar. Bir harf Ã¶ÄŸretenin kölesi
          olmayacağımız gibi matematik emekcisi Ali Nesin ÅŸeyhimizdir,
          diyecek de deÄŸiliz. </div>
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        <div>Kısmen konu dışı olacak ama bilinmesi gereken iki
          yüzlülüğünü yüzüne Ã§arpmadan edemeyeceÄŸim: Bir taraftan Aziz
          Nesin adına  verilen bir Ã¶dülü, Ã¶dülün verildiÄŸi alana giderek
          ve (Çiller ve benzerlerinin de ilgisini görmeyince de olsa)
          ''Tansu Ã‡iller'e de verilen bir Ã¶dülü babam adına alamam''
          diyerek sonuçta onurlu  bir davranışta bulundun, diÄŸer
          taraftan sermayenin başçakalı Koçların  verdiÄŸi 100 bin dolar
          karşılığında Aziz Nesin ile Vehbi Koç  aynı yolun yolcusuydu
          diyecek kadar küçüldün. </div>
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        <div>Beni matematik köyü'nden kovma nedeninse,  sende hep bir
          dert olacak!</div>
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        <div>ZE </div>
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        <div><b>From: </b>"Ali Nesin"
          <a href="mailto:anesin@nesinkoyleri.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><anesin@nesinkoyleri.org></a><br>
          <b>To: </b>"Zafer ERCAN" <a href="mailto:zercan@ibu.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><zercan@ibu.edu.tr></a>, "Mustafa
          Polat" <a href="mailto:mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr></a><br>
          <b>Cc: </b>"yilmaz akyildiz"
          <a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com></a>, "turkmath"
          <a href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>, "tmd"
          <a href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>, "AyÅŸe Uyar"
          <a href="mailto:ayseu@gazi.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><ayseu@gazi.edu.tr></a>, "Zafer ERCAN"
          <a href="mailto:Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a><br>
          <b>Sent: </b>Friday, November 29, 2024 1:56:30 AM<br>
          <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Turkmath:6800] karadeniz aklı..
          Ã§alışmıyor 12 den sonra... Ek i eklemeyi unutmuÅŸum...<br>
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          <p>Zafer Ercan'ın bu son mesajını pek dikkate almayın derim. <br>
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          <p>1) "Seçim aksiyomu sonlu kez uygulanarak ve bileÅŸim
            aksiyomu kullanılarak küme ailesinin her elemanından sonlu
            eleman seçilerek ve onlardan oluÅŸan bir küme elde edilebilir
            (yeterince eleman varsa elbet)." Bu kadar gereksiz bir
            cümleyi ancak Seçim Aksiyomu'nu henüz Ã¶ÄŸrenmiÅŸ ama yeterince
            sindirememiÅŸ bir Ã¶ÄŸrenci kurabilir. Neyse diyelim...<br>
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          <div>2) "Bir tane ya da sonlu tane eleman seçmek yerine küme
            ailesinin her elemanı seçilerek bunlardan oluÅŸan bir küme
            elde edilebilir ki bu, bileÅŸim aksiyomuna karşılık gelir.
            Eleman seçimini sonlulukla sınırlı tutulmadan belirli bir
            kardinalite de seçilen eleman Ã¼zerinden Seçim aksiyomuna
            denkimsi baÄŸlantılar bulunabilir." Saçmalığın dik Ã¢lâsı!
            BildiÄŸin konulardan bahset Zafer, ukalalık yapma. DediÄŸin
            her ÅŸey yanlış deÄŸil, ama açıklaman saçma, hatta absürt!
            Hele ilk cümlen, kurtarılacak tarafı yok! Bu konuları Ã§ok
            iyi bildiÄŸini kanıtlamaya mecbur musun? Ben pek bilmem
            doÄŸrusu, ama saçmalığa da göz göre göre izin veremem!<br>
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          <div>3) "Seçim aksiyomunun kullanımına izin verildiÄŸinde
            birçok kanıt Ã§ok daha kolay verilebilir, Ã¶rneÄŸin kapalı ve
            sinirli aralıkta tanımlı her sürekli fonksiyon düzgün
            süreklidir." Reellerin kapalı ve sınırlı aralıklarında
            tanımlanmış sürekli fonksiyonların düzgün sürekli
            olduklarının Seçim Aksiyomu'nu kullanmayan bir kanıtını
            doÄŸrusu görmek isterim. AÅŸağıda Analiz IV kitabımdan bir
            kanıt var. O kanıtta her x_1 ve x_2 için bir y seçiliyor. Bu
            seçim Seçim Aksiyomu olmadan da yapılabilir gerçekten, y'yi
            x_1 ve x_2'nin orta noktasını almak yeterli olmalı. Peki
            Seçim Aksiyomu olmadan Lebegues sayısının varlığı nasıl
            kanıtlanıyor? Ä°ÅŸte sana bildiÄŸin bir konu. Bu konuda ahkam
            kes de biÅŸeyler Ã¶ÄŸrenelim.<br>
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          <p>Ali<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">26.11.2024 21:29 tarihinde Zafer
            ERCAN yazdı:<br>
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                  <div>Seçim aksiyomunun belki de bilinen yüze yakın </div>
                  <div>denki vardır. Bunların 7-8 tanesi bu aksiyomun </div>
                  <div>tanım formundadır. Seçim aksiyomunda esas olan
                    eleman seçmek deÄŸil, belirli bir kuralla seçilmemiÅŸ
                    serseri elemanların uyumlu yaÅŸayacakları bir yuva
                    bulmaktır.</div>
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                  <div>Seçim aksiyomu sonlu kez uygulanarak ve bileÅŸim
                    aksiyomu kullanılarak küme ailesinin her elemanından
                    sonlu eleman seçilerek ve onlardan oluÅŸan bir küme
                    elde edilebilir (yeterince eleman varsa elbet).</div>
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                  <div>Bir tane ya da sonlu tane eleman seçmek yerine
                    küme ailesinin her elemanı seçilerek bunlardan
                    oluÅŸan bir küme elde edilebilir ki bu, bileÅŸim
                    aksiyomuna karşılık gelir. Eleman seçimini
                    sonlulukla sınırlı tutulmadan belirli bir
                    kardinalite de seçilen eleman Ã¼zerinden Seçim
                    aksiyomuna denkimsi baÄŸlantılar bulunabilir.</div>
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                  <div>Seçim aksiyomunun kullanımına izin verildiÄŸinde
                    birçok kanıt Ã§ok daha kolay verilebilir, Ã¶rneÄŸin
                    kapalı ve sinirli aralıkta tanımlı her sürekli
                    fonksiyon düzgün süreklidir.</div>
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                  <div>Türkiye'de matematikçiler Ã§ok bilmiÅŸliklerinden
                    dolayı Seçim aksiyomuyla kavga ediyorlar ama
                    tutmuyor!</div>
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                  <div>Evet, lisansda Seçim aksiyomu Ã¶ÄŸretilmez (tamam
                    tamam Ali Nesin Ã¶ÄŸretiyordu!) Ama farkına varmadan
                    baÅŸka bir biçimde Ã¶ÄŸretilir.</div>
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                  <div><span style="font-size:12pt">Bu</span><span style="font-size:12pt">na karşın 85 milyondan
                      oluÅŸan Türkiye halkına Seçim aksiyomunu
                      anlatacağım.</span><br>
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                  <div>Tanrı Türkü Korusun.</div>
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                  <div><b>Kimden: </b>"Mustafa Polat" <a href="mailto:mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr></a><br>
                    <b>Kime: </b>"yilmaz akyildiz" <a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com></a><br>
                    <b>Kk: </b>"turkmath" <a href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>,
                    "tmd" <a href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>,
                    "AyÅŸe Uyar" <a href="mailto:ayseu@gazi.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><ayseu@gazi.edu.tr></a>,
                    "Zafer ERCAN" <a href="mailto:Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><Zafer.Ercan@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr></a>,
                    "Ali Nesin" <a href="mailto:anesin@nesinkoyleri.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><anesin@nesinkoyleri.org></a><br>
                    <b>Gönderilenler: </b>26 Kasım Salı 2024 7:33:37<br>
                    <b>Konu: </b>Re: [Turkmath:6800] karadeniz aklı..
                    Ã§alışmıyor 12 den sonra... Ek i eklemeyi
                    unutmuÅŸum...<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">Kasten deÄŸildi ama ZE nin topla
                      münasebeti feci idi.</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">26 Kas 2024
                          Sal, saat 00:20 tarihinde yilmaz akyildiz <<a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com</a>>
                          ÅŸunu yazdı:<br>
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon,
                                Nov 25, 2024 at 11:35 PM Mustafa Polat
                                <<a href="mailto:mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mpolat@yeditepe.edu.tr</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">ZE nin toplara giriÅŸi
                                  gerçekten faullü. Bir keresin Aydın
                                  Aytuna yi sakatlamıştı. </div>
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                              <div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"></span><span style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">kasten yapmamıştır!</span></div>
                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">ZE nin iÅŸi diliyle</div>
                                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">benim ismime mesela
                                  aldanmayın</div>
                                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">zafer in de ben gibi
                                  fizikman  korkak olduÄŸundan eminim.</div>
                                <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">zaten erkekliÄŸin %98 i kaçmak
                                  deÄŸil mi?</div>
                              </div>
                              <div><span style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">erkek adam<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">lar</span>dırız vesselam!</span> </div>
                            </div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                    Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 9:54 PM yilmaz
                                    akyildiz <<a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Ek için link
                                        vermekle yetineceÄŸim:</div>
                                      <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">ekmek için
                                        ekmeleddin..</div>
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                                      </div>
                                      <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mdsEXQ88Xt6Dk66YizkQn84ahzjFIlfg/view?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mdsEXQ88Xt6Dk66YizkQn84ahzjFIlfg/view?usp=sharing</a></div>
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                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Subject:
                                          ali ismini yazmamışmış, aziz
                                          nesin'in de ismini yazması
                                          gerekmiyordu..</div>
                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif"><br>
                                          </span></div>
                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif">zaten baba-oÄŸul dergileri
                                            kendileri Ã§Ä±karıyorlardı.</span><br>
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                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">bir de her
                                                    kapatıldığında Baba
                                                    Aziz yeni bir adla
                                                    yoluna yılmadan
                                                    devam etmiÅŸtir: </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><b><i>marko
                                                        paÅŸa - malum
                                                        paÅŸa - meçhul
                                                        paÅŸa - Ã¶küz paÅŸa
                                                        - bizim paÅŸa -
                                                        merhum paÅŸa:</i></b></div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><img src="cid:part2.W9Qn3Vuy.1B7ybDi4@nesinkoyleri.org" alt="image.png" style="width:277px;max-width:100%" class=""><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Benim nesil <b><i>Akbaba</i></b>
                                                    ile büyüdü:</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><img src="cid:part3.Un6N0oKC.nlMudeaT@nesinkoyleri.org" alt="image.png" style="width:600px;max-width:100%" class=""><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">gelelim ali
                                                    nesin' e:</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">12 senede
                                                    törkiÅŸ Bourbaki yi
                                                    yazdı:</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><img src="cid:part4.NO7VUbEF.kpDDgRd0@nesinkoyleri.org" alt="image.png" style="width:760px;max-width:100%" class=""><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">ÅŸuna bizzat
                                                    ÅŸahidim:</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">ilham kaynağı
                                                    matematik se mazotu
                                                    sek rakı idi. </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Bira varsa
                                                    Ã¼stüne cilasını da 
                                                    Ã§ekerdi.</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">(Bir ilham
                                                    kaynağı daha var,
                                                    zaten onsuz
                                                    matematik olmaz!)</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Atatürk de
                                                    sıhhatini idealleri
                                                    için feda
                                                    etmiÅŸ birisidir.</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Baba Nesin in
                                                    ali'ye benim
                                                    bildiÄŸim iki
                                                    nasihatı vardı:</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">1. matematik
                                                    köyü kur</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">2. bırak ÅŸu
                                                    zıkkımı, pek Ã§ok
                                                    kıymetli dostumu ona
                                                    kurban verdim.</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Paul Erdöş de
                                                    Oxford da verdiÄŸi
                                                    son konuÅŸmasının bir
                                                    yerinde </div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">birlikte
                                                    ispatladıkları bir
                                                    teoremden
                                                    bahsederken bir an
                                                    durup:</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>"pek Ã§ok
                                                      dahi meslektaşımı
                                                      ya nikotine ya
                                                      alkole ya da
                                                      intihara kurban
                                                      verdim"</i>
                                                    demiÅŸti.</div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">ArkadaÅŸlar
                                                    ÅŸunu ben Aziz
                                                    Nesin'in aÄŸzından
                                                    bizzat duydum:</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>"hayatımın
                                                    sonuna yaklaşırken
                                                    en büyük
                                                    piÅŸmanlığım, </i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>Atatürk'ü
                                                    Ã§ok geç keÅŸfetmiÅŸ
                                                    olmam dır..! </i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>gözlerim
                                                    artık iyi görmüyor.</i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>onun
                                                    kitabını yazmak Ã§ok
                                                    isterdim.</i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>artık Ã§ok
                                                    geç".</i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Bu konuÅŸmayı
                                                  Aziz Baba BoÄŸaziçi
                                                  Ãœniversitesinde o
                                                  meÅŸhur salonda yaptı</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">ve en Ã¶nde
                                                  oturanlar başı baÄŸlı
                                                  kız Ã¶ÄŸrencilerimizdi.</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">(Kaptan
                                                  Attila Ä°lhan da Divan
                                                  Pastanesinde en Ã§ok
                                                  ziyaretine
                                                  gelenlerinin</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">başı baÄŸlı
                                                  genç kızlarımız
                                                  olduÄŸunu söylemiÅŸti.</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Böyle de
                                                  garip bir Ã¼lkemiz var
                                                  bizim... baÅŸka yerde
                                                  ben yaÅŸayamam...)</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">ZE demiÅŸ ki:</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>"<span style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:16px">Ali
                                                      Nesin imzalı
                                                      olarak  MD'nin
                                                      herhangi bir
                                                      sayısında  Seçim
                                                      beliti ve Zorn
                                                      Ã¶nsavı baÅŸlıklı
                                                      bir yazı yer
                                                      almamaktadır. </span></i><i><span style="color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:16px">Bunun
                                                      yanında  imzasız
                                                      olarak </span></i><i style="font-size:16px;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif">2006-2
                                                    sayısında bu
                                                    baÅŸlıkta bir yazı
                                                    yer almaktadır.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">" <b>(Ek)</b>.</span></i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Yukarıda
                                                  demek istediÄŸim gibi
                                                  Matematik Dünyasındaki
                                                  o isimsiz yazıların
                                                  hepsini ali nesin
                                                  yazmıştır.</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Bunu ZE de
                                                  bilir ama onun derdi
                                                  baÅŸkadır.. </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">AyÅŸe ile hoÅŸ
                                                  (ama içeriÄŸi boÅŸ)
                                                  vakit geçirmek... </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Yahu ÅŸu
                                                  adamın gazını almayı
                                                  sadece bana
                                                  bırakmayın!</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Siz de girin
                                                  topa..! </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Kaç defalar
                                                  duydum bazılarınızdan
                                                  ÅŸu meyanda sözler:</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>"ZE Ã§ok
                                                    defalar Ã§ok haklı,
                                                    ama toplara giriÅŸi
                                                    faullü, direk
                                                    kırmızı kart.."</i></div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">kalın
                                                  saÄŸlıcakla</div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">y.a. </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><b>Ek</b>:
                                                  Matematik Dünyası
                                                  2006-II den 40
                                                  sayfalık seçim
                                                  aksiyomu vbg nin
                                                  sadece ilk 3 sayfası. </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">Hiç bir
                                                  kitapta bu konu bu
                                                  derece detaylı
                                                  yazılmamıştır. </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><b><i>AyÅŸe ve
                                                      Zafer' e e Ã¶zel
                                                      teÅŸekkürlerimizle,</i></b> </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">saylerinde neler
                                                  Ã¶ÄŸrendik neler.. </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">iki Ã§eler bir
                                                  meler... </div>
                                                <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"> </div>
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                                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                                    Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at
                                                    11:07 PM AYSE UYAR
                                                    <<a href="mailto:ayseu@gazi.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ayseu@gazi.edu.tr</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                        <div>Zafer Bey,</div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div>Yazı 2006
                                                          yılında
                                                          yayınlanmış
                                                          ise
                                                          haklısınız, o
                                                          yıllarda
                                                          yüksek lisans
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrencisi
                                                          deÄŸil, post
                                                          doktora
                                                          araÅŸtırmacısı
                                                          idim. 2001
                                                          yılında
                                                          doktorayı
                                                          bitirdikten
                                                          sonra
                                                          (uygulanan
                                                          mobing
                                                          nedeniyle)
                                                          yıllarca
                                                          AraÅŸtırma
                                                          görevlisi
                                                          kadrosunda
                                                          kaldım.
                                                          Yardımcı
                                                          doçent
                                                          olduktan sonra
                                                          derslerimde
                                                          söz konusu
                                                          yazıdan (genel
                                                          olarak
                                                          derginin pek
                                                          Ã§ok
                                                          yazısından)
                                                          Ã§ok
                                                          faydalandığımdan,
                                                          söz konusu
                                                          yazıyı yüksek
                                                          lisans
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrencisi
                                                          olduÄŸum
                                                          yıllarda
                                                          okuduÄŸumu
                                                          hatırlıyordum.
                                                          Hafızam beni
                                                          yanıltmış. Bu
                                                          Ã¶nemli (!)
                                                          düzeltme için
                                                          teÅŸekkür
                                                          ederim.
                                                          Ã–zgeçmiÅŸimi bu
                                                          kadar yakından
                                                          bilmeniz de
                                                          takdire ÅŸayan
                                                          doÄŸrusu.  <br>
                                                           </div>
                                                        <div>Selamlar<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          AyÅŸe Uyar</div>
                                                        <br>
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                                                        <div><b>Kimden:
                                                          </b>"Zafer
                                                          ERCAN" <<a href="mailto:zercan@ibu.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">zercan@ibu.edu.tr</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Kime: </b>"AyÅŸe
                                                          Uyar" <<a href="mailto:ayseu@gazi.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ayseu@gazi.edu.tr</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Kk: </b>"yilmaz
                                                          akyildiz" <<a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                                                          "tmd" <<a href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                                                          "turkmath"
                                                          <<a href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                                                          "Ali Nesin"
                                                          <<a href="mailto:anesin@nesinkoyleri.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">anesin@nesinkoyleri.org</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Gönderilenler:
                                                          </b>24 Kasım
                                                          Pazar 2024
                                                          22:11:24<br>
                                                          <b>Konu: </b>Re:
                                                          [TMD-UYE:
                                                          4201] Re: Ali
                                                          Nesin den
                                                          tekmili
                                                          birden: Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu
                                                          Ãœzerine 13
                                                          ders<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 )"><br>
                                                          <div>AyÅŸe
                                                          hanım,</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Ali Nesin
                                                          imzalı olarak 
                                                          MD'nin
                                                          herhangi bir
                                                          sayısında 
                                                          Seçim beliti
                                                          ve Zorn Ã¶nsavı
                                                          baÅŸlıklı bir
                                                          yazı
                                                          almamaktadır.
                                                          Bunun yanında 
                                                          imzasız
                                                          olarak </div>
                                                          <div> 2006-2
                                                          sayısında bu
                                                          baÅŸlıkta bir
                                                          yazı yer
                                                          almaktadır.
                                                          Tahminim
                                                          bahsettiÄŸiniz
                                                          yazı bu
                                                          olmasına
                                                          karşın, sizin
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrenciliÄŸiniz
                                                          bu tarihten 14
                                                          yıl Ã¶nce </div>
                                                          <div>sona
                                                          ermiÅŸ
                                                          olduÄŸundan söz
                                                          konusu yazıyı
                                                          okumuÅŸ olsanız
                                                          bile Ã¶ÄŸrenci
                                                          iken okumuÅŸ
                                                          olmanız söz
                                                          konusu
                                                          olamaz..</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Saygılarımla.</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Zafer
                                                          Ercan</div>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <div><b>From:
                                                          </b>"AyÅŸe
                                                          Uyar" <<a href="mailto:ayseu@gazi.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ayseu@gazi.edu.tr</a>><br>
                                                          <b>To: </b>"yilmaz
                                                          akyildiz" <<a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Cc: </b>"tmd"
                                                          <<a href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                                                          "turkmath"
                                                          <<a href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                                                          "Ali Nesin"
                                                          <<a href="mailto:anesin@nesinkoyleri.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">anesin@nesinkoyleri.org</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Sent: </b>Saturday,
                                                          November 23,
                                                          2024 9:00:45
                                                          PM<br>
                                                          <b>Subject: </b>[TMD-UYE:
                                                          4201] Re: Ali
                                                          Nesin den
                                                          tekmili
                                                          birden: Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu
                                                          Ãœzerine 13
                                                          ders<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 )">
                                                          <div>Matematik
                                                          dünyası
                                                          dergisinde Ali
                                                          Nesin'in Seçim
                                                          beliti ve Zorn
                                                          Ã¶nsavı Ã¼zerine
                                                          bir yazısı
                                                          var. Henüz
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrenci iken
                                                          okumuÅŸtum.
                                                          Dergiler
                                                          yanımda
                                                          olmadığından,
                                                          hangi sayı
                                                          olduÄŸunu
                                                          bulamadım.
                                                          Yılmaz hocanın
                                                          paylaÅŸtığı
                                                          linkte de Ã§ok
                                                          güzel videolar
                                                          var ama  o
                                                          sayıyı merak
                                                          ettim.
                                                          Bilenler
                                                          listeye
                                                          yazarsa memnun
                                                          olurum. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Aslında her
                                                          ÅŸey dijital
                                                          ortamda artık.
                                                          Matematik
                                                          dünyası
                                                          dergisi de
                                                          e-dergi
                                                          Ã§Ä±karıp,
                                                          e-abonelik
                                                          sistemiyle
                                                          Ã§alışsa güzel
                                                          olur diye
                                                          düşünüyorum.
                                                          Ä°steyen yine
                                                          dergi
                                                          biçiminde
                                                          alabilir. Ã–te
                                                          yandan benim
                                                          gibi pdf
                                                          Ã¼zerinden
                                                          okumayı
                                                          severlerin Ã§ok
                                                          iÅŸine
                                                          yarayacaktır.
                                                          Yüzlerce
                                                          kitabı,
                                                          makaleyi
                                                          tablete
                                                          indirip daÄŸda
                                                          bayırda
                                                          okuyabilmek,
                                                          sanırım bu
                                                          Ã§aÄŸdaki en
                                                          Ã¶nemli
                                                          ÅŸansımız.
                                                          Teknolojik
                                                          imkanların
                                                          dışında baÅŸka
                                                          da kayda deÄŸer
                                                          bir ÅŸeylerin
                                                          olduÄŸu bir
                                                          Ã§aÄŸda
                                                          yaÅŸamıyoruz
                                                          maalesef.  <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Son olarak, bu
                                                          listenin bir
                                                          de facebook
                                                          grubu
                                                          oluÅŸturulsa
                                                          güzel olur
                                                          diye
                                                          düşünüyorum.
                                                          Pek Ã§ok açıdan
                                                          daha
                                                          kullanışlı bir
                                                          ortam. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Selamlar </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>AyÅŸe Uyar</div>
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                                                          <div><b>Kimden:
                                                          </b>"yilmaz
                                                          akyildiz" <<a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">yilmaz.akyildiz@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Kime: </b>"turkmath"
                                                          <<a href="mailto:turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">turkmath@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>>,
                                                          "tmd" <<a href="mailto:tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tmd-uye@listweb.bilkent.edu.tr</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Kk: </b>"Ali
                                                          Nesin" <<a href="mailto:anesin@nesinkoyleri.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">anesin@nesinkoyleri.org</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Gönderilenler:
                                                          </b>23 Kasım
                                                          Cumartesi 2024
                                                          20:35:23<br>
                                                          <b>Konu: </b>[TMD-UYE:
4200]        Ali Nesin den tekmili birden: Seçim Aksiyomu Ãœzerine 13
                                                          ders<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div style="font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/NesinMatematikK%C3%B6y%C3%BCResmi/search?query=se%C3%A7im" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/c/NesinMatematikK%C3%B6y%C3%BCResmi/search?query=se%C3%A7im</a></div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb( 0 , 0 , 0 )">
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                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex">>
                                                          On 22-11-2024
                                                          03:43, Ali
                                                          Nesin wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          > 1) Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu
                                                          düzgün bir
                                                          lisans
                                                          eÄŸitiminde
                                                          bilinmesi
                                                          gerekir. Ama<br>
                                                          > biraz
                                                          fazla uçuk
                                                          geldiÄŸi için
                                                          pek
                                                          Ã¶nemsenmez. En
                                                          azından benim
                                                          deneyimim bu<br>
                                                          > yönde.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > 2) Zorn
                                                          Ã–nsavı Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu'ndan
                                                          Ã§ok daha
                                                          iÅŸlevseldir,
                                                          Ã¶zellikle<br>
                                                          > cebirde.
                                                          Ya da ÅŸÃ¶yle
                                                          diyeyim, Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu
                                                          kullanılan
                                                          yerler lisans<br>
                                                          >
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrencileri
                                                          tarafından pek
                                                          Ã¶nemsenmez,
                                                          ama Zorn
                                                          Ã–nsavı
                                                          gerçekten her
                                                          zaman<br>
                                                          > Ã§ok
                                                          ÅŸaşırtıcı
                                                          sonuçlar
                                                          verir. Bir
                                                          baÅŸka deyiÅŸle:
                                                          Seçim Aksiyomu
                                                          farkına<br>
                                                          > varmadan
                                                          kullanılabilir
                                                          (okura
                                                          yutturabilirsin),
                                                          ama Zorn
                                                          Ã–nsavı'nı
                                                          farkına<br>
                                                          > varmadan
                                                          kullanmak
                                                          imkânsızdır.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > 3) Oysa
                                                          Zorn
                                                          Ã–nsavı'yla
                                                          Seçim Aksiyomu
                                                          (bilindiÄŸi
                                                          Ã¼zere)
                                                          birbirine<br>
                                                          > denktir.
                                                          Ä°yi bir lisans
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrencisi
                                                          kanıtını
                                                          bilmese de
                                                          bunu bilmeli.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > 4)
                                                          Analizde Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu,
                                                          saÄŸda solda,
                                                          orada burada
                                                          hemen hiç<br>
                                                          >
                                                          bahsedilmeden
                                                          kullanılır.
                                                          Arada bir bu
                                                          hoyratlık
                                                          cebirde de
                                                          yapılır, ama<br>
                                                          > Ã§ok daha
                                                          enderdir.
                                                          Genel olarak
                                                          analizciler
                                                          Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu'nu
                                                          hiç<br>
                                                          >
                                                          sorgulamadan
                                                          kabul ederler.
                                                          AyÅŸe Uyar'ın
                                                          verdiÄŸi Ã¶rnek
                                                          buna güzel bir<br>
                                                          > Ã¶rnektir:
                                                          eÅŸmerkezli ve
                                                          1/n yarıçaplı
                                                          her yuvardan
                                                          bir eleman
                                                          seçmek tabii<br>
                                                          > ki Seçim
                                                          Aksiyomu'yla
                                                          mümkündür ama
                                                          analizciler
                                                          bunu (haklı
                                                          olarak
                                                          aslında)<br>
                                                          > pek
                                                          Ã¶nemsemezler.
                                                          Ã–te yandan
                                                          cebirde mesela
                                                          maksimal
                                                          idealin
                                                          varlığını<br>
                                                          >
                                                          kanıtlamak
                                                          için Zorn
                                                          Ã–nsavı'nı
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrencilerin
                                                          gözüne sokmak
                                                          zorundasın,
                                                          yoksa<br>
                                                          > ayaklanıp
                                                          isyan ederler.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > 5) Bilgi
Ãœniversitesi'nde bütün bunları tüm ayrıntılarıyla birinci sınıf<br>
                                                          >
                                                          Ã¶ÄŸrencilerime
anlatıyordum/anlatıorduk. Felsefesiyle tabii ki. Bana ve bize<br>
                                                          >
                                                          benzemelerini
istemiyordum/istemiyorduk! Ne yazık ki 26 yıl süren Bilgi<br>
                                                          > efsanesi
                                                          sona erdi.
                                                          Åžimdi benzer
                                                          bir yapıyı
                                                          korsan olarak
                                                          Matematik<br>
                                                          > Köyü'nde
                                                          kurmaya
                                                          Ã§alışıyorum.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > 6) Son
                                                          olarak bir
                                                          (A_i)_{i \in
                                                          I} küme
                                                          ailesinin
                                                          matematiksel
                                                          tanımını<br>
                                                          > vereyim.
                                                          I ve X birer
                                                          küme olsun.
                                                          I'dan X'e
                                                          giden bir f
                                                          fonksiyonuna
                                                          küme<br>
                                                          > ailesi
                                                          denir! Bu
                                                          kadar basit!
                                                          EÄŸer i \in I
                                                          için f(i) =
                                                          A_i ise, (X'i
                                                          yok<br>
                                                          > sayıp!)
                                                          bu fonksiyonu
                                                          (A_i)_{i \in
                                                          I} olarak
                                                          yazarız.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Ali<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          mesajı ve
                                                          içeriÄŸi gizli
                                                          veya Ã¶zel
                                                          bilgiler
                                                          içerebilir.
                                                          Mesajın
                                                          içeriÄŸinde
                                                          bulunan tüm
                                                          fikir ve
                                                          görüşler
                                                          sadece
                                                          göndericiye
                                                          ait olup, Gazi
Ãœniversitesi’nin resmi görüşünü yansıtmaz. Kurumumuz bu e-posta
                                                          içeriÄŸindeki
                                                          bilgilerin
                                                          kullanılması
                                                          nedeniyle hiç
                                                          kimseye karşı
                                                          sorumlu
                                                          tutulamaz.
                                                          Mesajın
                                                          belirlenen
                                                          alıcılardan
                                                          biri
                                                          deÄŸilseniz,
                                                          mesaj
                                                          içeriÄŸini ya
                                                          da eklerini
                                                          kullanmayınız,
kopyalamayınız, yaymayınız, baÅŸka kiÅŸilere yönlendirmeyiniz ve mesajı
                                                          gönderen
                                                          kiÅŸiyi derhal
                                                          e-posta
                                                          yoluyla
                                                          haberdar
                                                          ederek bu
                                                          mesajı ve
                                                          eklerini
                                                          herhangi bir
                                                          kopyasını
                                                          muhafaza
                                                          etmeksizin
                                                          siliniz.
                                                          Kurumumuz
                                                          size, mesajın
                                                          ve
                                                          bilgilerinin
                                                          deÄŸiÅŸikliÄŸe
                                                          uÄŸramaması,
                                                          bütünlüğünün
                                                          ve gizliliÄŸin
                                                          korunması
                                                          konusunda
                                                          garanti
                                                          vermemekte
                                                          olup, e-posta
                                                          içeriÄŸine
                                                          yetkisiz
                                                          olarak yapılan
                                                          müdahale,
                                                          virüs içermesi
                                                          ve/veya
                                                          bilgisayar
                                                          sisteminize
                                                          verebileceÄŸi
                                                          herhangi bir
                                                          zarardan da
                                                          sorumlu
                                                          deÄŸildir.</p>
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