<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>Gönderen: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Ali Nesin</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:anesin@nesinkoyleri.org">anesin@nesinkoyleri.org</a>></span><br></div><div>
    <p>Rahmetli Mustafa Akgül beni de Ã§Ä±karmıştı, Ã¼stelik sürekli bana
      sataÅŸan Selman'ın listeden Ã§Ä±karılmasına karşı Ã§Ä±ktığım için...
      Turkmath mesajları bana geliyor ama ben yazamıyorum.</p>
    <p>Sanırım Turkmath'ın başında kimse yok, iÅŸler otomatik yürüyor.
      Sinan Sertöz başına geçsin bence de.</p>
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    <div>01.01.2025 13:00 tarihinde yilmaz
      akyildiz yazdı:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">1 Oca 2025 Ã‡ar 11:12
              tarihinde Selman Akbulut <<a href="mailto:akbulut.selman@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">akbulut.selman@gmail.com</a>>
              ÅŸunu yazdı:<br>
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              <div style="line-break:after-white-space">Anladığıma gõre
                tmd ve turkmath liste yoneticileri listeden yine keyfi
                Ã¼ye Ã§Ä±karmaya baÅŸlamiÅŸlar :) Â <br id="m_-7221344371015472374m_-8747430478958046343lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
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        <div dir="auto">Girmek serbest olmalı</div>
        <div dir="auto">Çıkmak isteÄŸe baÄŸlı</div>
        <div dir="auto">Selman bu siteden uzun süre uzak tutuldu. Bu
          yanlış ti. Bunu ben rahmetli kıymetli dostum Mustafa Akgül e
          de demiÅŸtim defalarca, burası fani dünya. Yapmayın Ã¶yle küçük
          numaralar! Åžahsi hoÅŸunuza gitmiyorsa yaptığınız iÅŸ,  devredin
          daha bir gönlü geniÅŸ olana. Keyfi hareketlere son! </div>
        <div dir="auto">Hasan Gümral veya Ali Sinan Sertöz geçsin bu
          iÅŸin başına. </div>
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                    <div>On Jan 1, 2025, at 2:41 AM, Selman Akbulut <<a href="mailto:akbulut.selman@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">akbulut.selman@gmail.com</a>>
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                      <div style="line-break:after-white-space">Yilmaz,
                        lütfen benim adıma konuÅŸma. Lafı dolandırmadan
                        tekrar sana kısa cevap vereyim: Ä°kimizin farkı
                        ÅŸu olabilir: Ben müslümanım ve Osmanlı
                        torunuyum. Mustafa Kemal Istiklal savaşında
                        benim içinde büyük lider ve büyük komutandır;
                        fakat Cumhuriyet ilan edildikten sona
                        cumhurbaÅŸkanı olarak yaptığı bazı uygulamalara
                        katılmıyorum. Benim görüşüme göre cumhuriyet
                        devrinde ErdoÄŸan Atatürk'ten daha baÅŸarılı bir
                        cumhurbaÅŸkanıdır, Seninle Araplar ve Orta DoÄŸu
                        konusunda anlaÅŸamıyoruz, Ã§Ã¼nkü ben Irkçı ve
                        Batıcı deÄŸilim, emperyalizme ve sionizme
                        karşıyım. Ã–zetle AÅŸağıda yazdıklarını son 30
                        yılda defalarca tartıştık, sonuç olarak hemfikir
                        deÄŸiliz, NOKTA! Lütfen artık u-zat-ma (hatırla
                        aksini yapmakta Ä±srar edince, geçmiÅŸte sana
                        engel koymak zorunda kalmıştım).</div>
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                                    <div>On Jan 1, 2025, at 1:43 AM,
                                      yilmaz akyildiz <<a href="mailto:yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">yilmaz.akyildiz@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:</div>
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                                        <div dir="auto">Selman ezbere
                                          konuÅŸuyor, ben ise gerçekçi
                                          yim. </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">O Berkeley'de
                                          seçmeli  olarak Åžeriat Hukuku
                                          dersi aldı ama ben 13 sene
                                          ÅŸeriat altında yaÅŸadım. </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">İkimiz de Ä°ran a
                                          seyahatler yaptık, Ä°ran i
                                          severiz. Ä°ran'ı tanımadan
                                          Türkiye, Türkiye'yi tanımdan
                                          da Ä°ran anlaşılamaz. Ä°kimiz de
                                          dindar deÄŸildiriz ama her
                                          nasılsa bir türlü Orta DoÄŸu ve
                                          Araplar  konusunda
                                          anlaÅŸamayız. Sorun,  Osmanlı
                                          vs Atatürk olabilir. Selman a
                                          diyeceklerim: ben Osmanlı
                                          torunu deÄŸilim! </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">“DÜN’Ü
                                          ANIMSAMADAN, BUGÜN’Ü
                                          DEĞERLENDİREMEYİZ!  </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Osmanlı Devleti
                                          Türk Devleti ise;</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 1.⁠ â Neden
                                          Osmanlı’da Müslüman Türkler
                                          fakir, gayrimüslimler
                                          zengindir? </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Yunan Ord. Prof.
                                          Dr. Dimitri Kitsikis: </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">“Batılılar bizi
                                          kışkırtana kadar Osmanlı’yı,
                                          Ermeniler, biz (Yunanlılar) ve
                                          diÄŸer devÅŸirmeler
                                          yönetiyordu.”  </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 2.⁠ â Neden
                                          Anadolu’daki Türkler
                                          Ä°stanbuul’a (o zamanki adıyla
                                          Konstantinopolis) gitmek için
                                          bulunduÄŸu ÅŸehrin eÅŸrafından,
                                          aÄŸasından, beyinden, borcu
                                          olmadığına ve geri döneceÄŸine
                                          dair iki kefilli muhtesip
                                          vizesi istenirken, bu vize
                                          Yunandan, Ermeni’den,
                                          Yahudi’den ve diÄŸer
                                          gayrimüslimlerden istenmezdi?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 3.⁠ â Neden
                                          BoÄŸaz’ın iki yakasındaki
                                          yalılarda, köşklerde, Marmara
                                          Denizi’nin Ã§evresindeki
                                          yalılarda, köşklerde bir tane
                                          Müslüman Türk yaÅŸamıyordu?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 4.⁠ â Neden
                                          Osmanlı Bankası dahil 12
                                          bankanın sahipleri Yunan,
                                          Ermeni vb. iken Türkler
                                          bankada işçi olarak bile
                                          Ã§alışamıyordu? Duruma istisnai
                                          bir tepki olarak Ziya PaÅŸa
                                          Ziraat Bankası‘nı (Memleket
                                          Sandıkları) kurmuÅŸ, sonra da
                                          Ziya PaÅŸa Taif’e
                                          (Arabistan’da) sürgün edilip
                                          zindanda boÄŸdurulmuÅŸtu!</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 5.⁠ â Neden
                                          Anadolu’da doktor, eczacı,
                                          hatta köy bakkalları bile
                                          Yunan veya Ermeni idi?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 6.⁠ â Neden
                                          Türkler 10 yıl, hatta 15 yıl
                                          askerlik yaparken, Osmanlı
                                          vatandaşı Yunan ve Ermeniler
                                          askerlikten muaf tutulmuÅŸtu? </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Bu durumun
                                          ticaret, sanat ve her türlü
                                          faaliyetten Türklerin
                                          dışlanmasına yol açtığı
                                          bilindiÄŸi halde
                                          sürdürülmüştür!?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 7.⁠ â Neden
                                          Osmanlı’da Tanzimat aydınları,
                                          â€œBu alfabe bizi cahil bıraktı,
                                          Latin alfabesine geçelim,”
                                          diye Ä°lbasan kongreleri
                                          düzenliyorlardı?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Zaten tapu
                                          daireleri, telgraf ve
                                          saraydaki bazı yazışmalar ve
                                          mektuplar Latin alfabesiyle
                                          yapılıyor, Ã¶rneÄŸin 1795
                                          tarihinde Hatice Sultan’ın
                                          mimar sevgilisine yazdığı
                                          mektup Latin alfabesiyledir.
                                          (Resmi ekte) </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Durum böyle
                                          iken, Anadolu’daki Türkmen -
                                          OÄŸuzlara, Müslüman Türklere
                                          neden Arap ve Fars harfli
                                          uyduruk Osmanlıca
                                          dayatılmıştır?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Osmanlı’da en az
                                          80 yıl boyunca Osmanlı
                                          alfabesinden kurtulma
                                          Ã§alışmaları yapılmış iken,
                                          neden alfabe bir gecede
                                          deÄŸiÅŸti yalanını yaydılar? </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">DoÄŸrusu, bu
                                          süreç 90 yıl + 1 gecedir.</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Bir Amerikalı
                                          gazeteci Atatürk’e der ki: </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">“Neden milletin
                                          alfabesini deÄŸiÅŸtirip cahil
                                          bıraktınız?”</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Bilge Atatürk de
                                          cevaben der ki: </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">“Ben 10 bin
                                          kiÅŸinin alfabesini deÄŸiÅŸtirdim
                                          ama uygun alfabe ile halkıma
                                          okuma yazma Ã¶ÄŸrettim.”</div>
                                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 8.⁠ â Neden
                                          Cumhuriyet idaresi â€œBulgarlara
                                          Osmanlı ArÅŸivi’ni sattı”
                                          yalanını yayarlarken, AKP
                                          döneminde Milli Kütüphane’nin
                                          içinde Ã§ok kıymetli el yazması
                                          eserlerin de bulunduÄŸu 147 ton
                                          tarihi eseri Hurdasan’a kilosu
                                          50 kuruÅŸtan sattıklarını
                                          söylemiyorlar?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Kaldı ki,
                                          Bulgaristan’a Yunan, Arnavut,
                                          Karaman, Memlûk veya Makedon
                                          arÅŸivini vermediler, kendi
                                          arÅŸivini verdiler. Onlar da
                                          bunu Ã§Ã¶pe atmadılar, bilakis
                                          güzelce tasnif edip Türkçe
                                          dahil 8 dile Ã§evirdiler ve
                                          dünyaya açtılar. </div>
                                        <div dir="auto"> 9.⁠ â Neden
                                          Cumhuriyet idaresinin camileri
                                          yıktığı ve Kur’an’ı
                                          yasakladığı yalanını yayarken,
                                          sözde Halife PadiÅŸah Sultan
                                          Vahdettin’in BeyoÄŸlu’ndaki AÄŸa
                                          Camii’ni parayla
                                          gayrimüslimlere satıp,
                                          Ä°stanbul’un göbeÄŸine Papa
                                          heykeli diktiÄŸini söylemiyor,
                                          yazmıyorlar?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Yine Bilge
                                          Atatürk’ün, Sultan
                                          Vahdettin’in sattığı bu camiyi
                                          Yunanlardan satın alıp tadilat
                                          yaptırarak cami olarak ibadete
                                          açtığını niye yazamıyorlar?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Hatta savaÅŸta
                                          tahrip edilen diÄŸer 138 camiyi
                                          de tamir edip ibadete açtığını
                                          neden yazmıyorlar? </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Yine NiÄŸde,
                                          Aksaray gibi pek Ã§ok yerde
                                          kiliseleri de camiye
                                          Ã§evirdiÄŸini yazamıyorlar!?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">10.⁠ â Sonuç: </div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Yemen’den
                                          Fizan’a bitmek bilmeyen
                                          savaÅŸlarda Ã¶mür tüketen,
                                          kırılıp yok edilen
                                          Anadolu’daki Türk kimin
                                          umurundaydı?</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">......</div>
                                        <div dir="auto">Düzeltme: 4 deki
                                          isim Ziya paÅŸa deÄŸil Mithat
                                          paÅŸa ve ben Taif deki o kale
                                          nin kapısına kadar gittim...
                                          Ã¶yle bir halet-i ruhiye ye
                                          girdim ki sanki içeriden
                                          Mithat PaÅŸa'nın boÄŸulurken ki
                                          Ã§Ä±ÄŸlıklarını duyar gibi oldum.</div>
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                                        Suud da din polisi vardı(r):
                                        mutavva.
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                                          <div dir="auto">Elinde bir
                                            sopa ve ezan okunduÄŸu an
                                            sokaktaki herkesi camiye
                                            kovalar. Ben de Medine'de
                                            peygamberin camisi yakıninda
                                            nasibimi aldım. </div>
                                          <div dir="auto">Kabedeki
                                            göktaşına dokunurken de
                                            başındaki askerden omuzumdan
                                            dipçik yediÄŸim var. </div>
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                                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">1 Oca 2025
                                          Ã‡ar 00:01 tarihinde Selman
                                          Akbulut <<a href="mailto:akbulut.selman@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">akbulut.selman@gmail.com</a>> ÅŸunu
                                          yazdı:<br>
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                                          vah Yilmaz’in memleketi
                                          nerelerden nereye savrulmuÅŸ,
                                          adamcağız Medine deki
                                          peygamberin camisinde ise
                                          mecburen namaz kılmak zorunda
                                          kalmış. Suudi Atatürk yoluna
                                          girerken adamın memleketi
                                          (yani TC) nereye gideceÄŸi
                                          belli olmayan geri
                                          dönülemeyecek bir akÅŸamın
                                          ufkundaymış :) Evet TC ileri
                                          gidiyor etraftaki Yilmaz'in
                                          kafasındaki gericilere raÄŸmen!<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Herkesin Yeni yılı kutlu
                                          olsun, esenlikle kalın.<br>
                                          Selman<br>
                                          ------<br>
                                          <br>
                                          > Åžimdi moda Emevi
                                          Camisinde namaz kılmak ..
                                          neredeeeen nereye savruldu
                                          memleketiiiim, memleketim..
                                          namaz kılmasam da ben o cami
                                          de bulundum. Medine deki
                                          peygamberin camisinde ise
                                          mecburen namaz kılmak zorunda
                                          kalmıştım... Ne tuhaf ki ÅŸu
                                          günlerde Suudi Atatürk yoluna
                                          girerken benim memleketimin
                                          nereye gideceÄŸi belli deÄŸil.
                                          Korkuyorum artık geri
                                          dönülemeyecek bir akÅŸamın
                                          ufkunda yız.  <br>
                                          > <br>
                                          > Yeni yıl için baÅŸkaları
                                          hep ileriye dönük umutlar
                                          yazmışlar, kusura bakmayın ben
                                          geriye baktım.. Ã§Ã¼nkü umudum
                                          yok gelecekten, bari sizlere
                                          biraz nostalji  yaÅŸatayım
                                          istedim geçmiÅŸten...  <br>
                                          > Ä°talyanlar sebep oldular
                                          buna..<br>
                                          > <br>
                                          > Yeni yılda da kalın
                                          saÄŸlıcakla.<br>
                                          > y.a. <br>
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